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welcome everyone to the California MUFON

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radio show I'm your host Lori and fencin

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very happy you guys are long for an

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amazing ride this evening my guest

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tonight is somebody I've never

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interviewed before but it's gonna be

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fascinating I can guarantee you that

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his name is Michael Telstar I believe

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he's a Canadian I'm gonna have to find

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out later we'll have to talk hockey a

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little bit of course but in the meantime

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I have some things to talk to you guys

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about hey Michael can you do me a huge

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favor sweetie do you know where your

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mute button is yes I do

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great so hit that mute button for a

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minute because I'm hearing everything

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behind you for some hearing I'm sorry

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[Laughter]

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we didn't have a chance

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to do Laurie I can still hear you yeah

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perfect great that's the best that way I

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hear nothing but I am still getting my

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that's odd I've never seen that before

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MJ where I'm lighting up but I'm not

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hearing anything that's really strange

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okay well hey it is what it is it's

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Skype and all I can tell you is in Skype

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everything is a mystery these days

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unbelievable total mystery can't figure

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out what's happening but yeah let's see

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yeah okay so I saw a bubble happen I

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thought I'd go see if anybody's trying

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to get help me okay

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the soundcheck is done we're back to the

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show okay everyone so let's see what am

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I gonna tie oh god what am I not gonna

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talk about tonight okay I hope Michael

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doesn't mind sitting through my little

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rant here at the beginning of the show

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but actually this

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commercial than a rant I just want you

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all to know that we are putting on the

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JFK conference in Washington DC and the

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website is JFK conference DC comm and if

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you guys will go there visit that site

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find some of the most amazing people

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gosh I'm hearing myself Michael I don't

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know what's happening

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MJ got any clues as to why I keep

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hearing myself even though he's

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supposedly muted trying to figure this

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out is it's disconcerting at my end it

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may not be bothering anybody else but

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I'm hearing the echo so it's getting

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weird to hear myself talk all the time

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anyhow um so we're putting on the JFK

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conference DC comm check out the website

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it's going to be very interesting now

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I've been getting weird flack and I

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thought I'd throw it back out out

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through the universe and see if I can

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dismantle this flak actually I went on

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to show the other day and I talked about

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the infighting in the JFK community and

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I probably shouldn't have done that

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because what's happening now is there's

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a whole backlash about people saying why

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should I come to the conference if those

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guys can't even get along and then I

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basically come back with well the UFO

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community's never gotten along so what

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difference is that if it's JFK or UFOs

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or whatever nobody gets along I mean

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what are we gonna do here my whole point

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to what I was trying to tell people

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either last week on this show that week

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or Monday I don't remember was basically

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this everybody fights that's a

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researcher especially the JFK community

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because these guys had dedicated their

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life to this 40 years some of them 50

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years I mean they're they're old

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these guys are their seventies and

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eighties and they've been doing this

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since the day Kennedy died so we're

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looking at what 37 years then another 20

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17 years now some of these guys been

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literally doing this forty five years 50

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years 50 whatever since the day he died

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hey you know when they go down a rabbit

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hole and they write about it they've

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written four books about it and then

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somebody comes along and says you're

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completely wrong and then they write

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another book counter doing what they're

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doing and then everybody's got their own

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thing and everybody says no I'm right

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now I'm right I'm right and what I tried

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to tell them all and this is my this is

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my point to this part of the show

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tonight is that just matter what

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community you're in and it doesn't

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matter what you write what really

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matters to everybody in whether it's

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UFOs whether it's JFK whether it's

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conspiracies I don't care if it's 9/11 I

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don't care what it is the bottom line is

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you take all of those books you grind

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them up and you take all the information

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out of every single one of them and you

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draw the big picture and everybody's

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right to an extent it's that simple and

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then when you connect all the dots

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you've got an amazing array of

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information and I cannot figure out why

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none of the people that write books in

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the UFO community and none of the

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researchers and the and the authors in

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the JFK community have ever figured this

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out it's like they can't be in the same

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room together but I will tell you this

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now here's the point to the other part

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of this whole rant is this I can get

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them all in one room together and that's

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the extraordinary thing in this next

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conference that we're putting on I'm

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getting people in a room to go that

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usually won't be in a room together and

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if they are there's usually some kind of

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thing and then they leave and then you

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know they don't talk to each other well

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I tell them and under no uncertain terms

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do I tell these guys that basically you

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show up you're nice to each other and

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we're all gonna play ball and then we

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all go home at the end of the day then

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you don't have to talk to each other

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over again if you don't want to but it's

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just like kindergarten everybody shows

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up everybody plays nice and then at the

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end of the day maybe you might learn

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something from each other you know it's

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an amazing thing so that's what I said

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on my show a few days ago and I've been

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getting a lot of flack for having said

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that but you guys it's the

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Ruth it's the absolute truth it saddens

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me that it's the truth but it's just

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truth for every community I've ever been

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in spiritual communities ox roms you

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name it I've been there there's

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competition no matter where you go and

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how you look at it churches I've been to

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churches where there's this kind of

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stuff going on I mean it's it's

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mind-boggling all the psychologists I

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work for think they're pitted against

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each other

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except maybe in the younger communities

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where the kids are just there thinking

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differently than this whole competition

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thing that's going on which is a

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beautiful thing I love it I'm glad that

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they can all do that you know it's great

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on some levels but I'm glad they're

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doing it I just wish we had more

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researchers like we did these guys are

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tenacious I mean I'm talking about guys

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in the JFK community they have dedicated

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hours and hundred out-years years of

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their life to this they've lost why do

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you know that I mean they're all

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divorced because of it no one you know

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it's just unbelievable the dedication

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but these guys have done for the

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community I mean it's just mind-boggling

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to me and you know I can kind of

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understand how they get flipped out when

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all kinds of you know people come along

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and say oh you're wrong you know I mean

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they've really dedicated her life to

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this anyhow that was my point to all

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that whether it was on this show another

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show or another show I don't remember

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but I am getting like literal hate mail

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for even bringing this up but I really

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do wish you guys could make the

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conference and the reason I'm bringing

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this all up is because I have got some

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that I David Denton and I have gotten

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some extraordinary people to be in the

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same room at the same time and it's

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going to be absolutely killer killer

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conference and I use that word not

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murder but killer okay oh yeah I'm just

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I'm too tired to oh wait you guys hear

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what happened oh my god so anyhow what I

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did is we got these people together

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we've got some really amazing people

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together in the same room we've got

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Roger stone Cyril Wecht

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and Tatro if you guys don't know about

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ed Tatro you're not supposed to know

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about antiqued ro ed tape TRO will not

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go on a radio show he will not finish it

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people not publish his book he will not

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do anything until he is long gone off

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this earth and at that point everything

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will come out but he refuses to do so

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and the man is just probably the most

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amazing guy when it comes to JFK racers

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that anybody's ever met I'll tell you

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guys something when he was speaking at

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the George Noory

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I was our Lee Harvey Oswald conference

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in New Orleans and George Norah was

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there and George snoring Tom Dan Heiser

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asked him to be on coast to coast and

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he's flat-out refused and so that's the

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kind of guy he is he just will not do

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this stuff so he's gonna show up at the

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conference so he always shows up at the

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conferences he's got new information

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ever since the archives came out you

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guys this is just gonna be extraordinary

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if you look at the lineup most of

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Saturday is dedicated to the archives

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and the new information

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Larry Rivera is going to be there with

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even more startling information about

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how Lee Harvey Oswald was standing in

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the doorway and you know we just we've

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really got it pegged for this conference

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and if it wasn't for those archived

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release does you know just be another

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JFK conference but I'm telling you guys

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the stuff that they've been digging up I

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mean they they call me about once every

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two or three weeks and they go guess

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what I found out I'm like what they tell

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me I'm like oh now that's gonna be so

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cool

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anyhow it's gonna be really really

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special now the other thing I got to

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bring up about the JFK conference

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quickly is the fact that you guys these

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guys that that these guys are 70 and 80

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years old you know they're not gonna be

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around much longer I tell everybody

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they're because oh you're gonna you know

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you keep doing the JFK conferences and I

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look at him like go probably for a few

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more years but after that there's not

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gonna be anybody left standing to do

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list I mean seriously Jim Marrs died

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this year

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David Denton not David I'm sorry Dennis

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yeah I think so anyhow we and there's a

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couple more that have died that are

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amazing people I think Dennis David was

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in Bethesda at the autopsy he was one of

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the guys there at the hospital so he was

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an important witness we're just losing

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them left and right and then just think

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about this think of all the people they

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killed that we will never be able to

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talk to so I mean there's a small array

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of people out there who actually know

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what happened that day and they've

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really got their stuff together so you

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know if you guys can make this

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conference please do I can't promise

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anything like it will ever happen again

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I'm hoping so but that doesn't mean it

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will and this could just be like the

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swan song I don't know but I hope you

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guys can make it and I know that Judith

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is going to be putting on Dallas again

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this year I mean she's planning on it

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but again Judith is 77 years old she's

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no spring chicken you know I again we

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almost lost her to blindness last year

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so she couldn't function so who knows

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you know I mean they're not all healthy

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guys you know so I don't know I don't

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know what else to say I really don't I

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mean this is the last time I'm gonna

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harp on this conference but I really

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think it's important that you guys

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understand the significance of these

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conferences the significance of the

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people speaking at them whether they

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fight amongst themselves or not which I

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should probably have never brought up

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but it's important you guys know that I

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think the interesting part about that is

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I'm kind of glad they fight amongst

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themselves because at least then they're

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always looking for the next angle you

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know they've never gotten complacent I

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think that the spark of that that guy

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looking over their shoulder examining

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their work keeps them thinking and

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looking for new avenues and finding new

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witnesses and and it just keeps them

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going you know it may be that little bit

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of that competitive edge and 75 years

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old going there's two other guys right

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on your heels that are doing the same

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kind of work that keeps them alive so

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you may be in a way it's a really good

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thing so yeah we're gonna leave it at

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that now

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the reason I'm saying so so much and

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repeating myself and then not making

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much sense tonight you guys they got

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I've got a great guest he's gonna carry

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the show for me that I know is I've had

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about an hour sleep and here's what

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happened in a nutshell I went my email

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about 20 hours ago

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and I looked at it I went what the heck

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happened

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I'm missing two months of emails and the

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ones I could see for one month of

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February 6th

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so it was missing December January and

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then from January 7th of February 6 you

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couldn't see anything in the email it

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was all gone and it was just like

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opening you know a blank page so I was

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like what happened so I discovered that

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January 7th to February 6 was blanked

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and that I'm missing January to December

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and it was November 7th to December 7th

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they're just gone I was like what the

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yeah it's all in Thunderbird now I have

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Carbonite backs everything up to the

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cloud so I'm in here feverishly trying

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to fix this whole thing and I think to

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myself oh I don't have to worry I'll

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just get the Carbonite backup and throw

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it on there well I fell asleep sitting

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here in the chair Carbonite backed up

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the bad file I should have turned

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Carbonite off I didn't turn it off so I

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fall asleep sitting here in the chair

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working on this trying to get it to the

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point where I can put the Carbonite file

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back in and then everything will be back

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to normal again and I'll be right up to

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yesterday right and if I lose a month I

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lose a month no big deal right sleeps in

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here and I'm like oh my god it's four

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hours later Carbonite s---backed up the

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bad file so I'm sitting there now what I

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do so then I get the brilliant idea then

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I'm gonna download it from my Comcast

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server because the mail I keep the mail

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there forever

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no as long as it'll stay until I run out

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of room so that's brilliant Laurie and

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I'll just do that

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so I did it little did I know that when

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you delete the pop data file and it take

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out the date range

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it doesn't look for it just goes back to

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the beginning it doesn't go to where the

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the date you had left on the the screen

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is oh my god

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I've been downloading since yesterday

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ninety nine seven hundred and thirty-one

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thousand emails I finally I stayed up

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all night watching them download they

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all downloaded it took about an hour for

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every 10k of emails so now I'm sitting

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here deleting because they're all the

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same ones that I saved so you're

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deleting all the unopened emails and

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there's eighty thousand seven hundred

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and thirty one left to go

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iced I kid you not folks this is exactly

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what I'm doing and I've been up and I

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have had like an hour and fifteen maybe

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an hour forty my I don't know not enough

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not enough sleep so but I went to work

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and I'm home and I'm gonna drink another

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cup of coffee while the show's happening

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and I'm gonna try to muscle through this

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but honest to god this is what I'm

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dealing with and once you know it's very

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interesting it seems that I've got a

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chrome problem and someone might have

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hacked my email I don't know how they

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did it or why they did it but it seems

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that someone wrote a script that keeps

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pulling this away so I don't know what's

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happening it's deleting it if anybody

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has any ideas on that let me know I'm

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gonna go into the chatroom and let me

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know if you've ever had that problem in

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Thunderbird where chrome seems to be

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sucking away all the information kind of

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like windows vacuum cleaner and just

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kind of like they do with Skype you know

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I'm still trying to figure that all out

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so anyhow I want to get to my guest and

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Michael are you still with me your mute

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button just worked beautifully by the

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way I just want you to know that he's

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humble

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around for a second I'm here their yard

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all right excellent

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okay so how are you Michael oh I'm doing

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great I couldn't ask for a better spot

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to do mine to do tonight about suspended

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about 50 feet in the air and expected

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and it's just terrific it's pretty cold

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over here in Canada of course it's about

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with the windchill 12-15 tonight where

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are you in Canada what city I'm in

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Toronto Ontario Oh excellent excellent

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now are you are you a mobile person are

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you a house person how are you surviving

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these days I am yeah very nobody oh good

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I wonder dad you know I have a little

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lot garage but I traveled many years and

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RVs and I have had apartments for a few

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years here and there but well my whole

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life I've been dome addict and and I

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guess that's the way I like it

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oh I think it's amazing I love your

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lifestyle if I could do it I would but

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I'm one of these people who likes to

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have my kitty cats in my garden you know

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I'm one of those kind of people so I

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don't get to do that but boy good for

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you sounds like a lot of fun you know I

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was looking you up online because I

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couldn't find your website do you have a

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website under under construction right

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now but it is under my name Michael

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Joseph calm but I put a pseudo website

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up on the chaos group Facebook page that

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I sent you I have it I can't get any of

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my emails open right now as you've

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probably figured out and I or if I got

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it I lost it in the in the purge so I

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don't know Michael I may not have gotten

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it can you do me a favor on the break at

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the top of the hour go ahead and type it

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into the Skype chat and we'll share it

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with everybody then how's that or you

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can do a verb right now like okay let's

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see see here I'm really not familiar

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with the technology as much as I should

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like to but if you go to Facebook just

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type in my name Michael Kyle star te l

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st AR AR and I put together some some

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videos for you just specially for you

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tonight and and put them on there yes

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and but if you type Michael Bell star

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you'll get three different Facebook

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pages and my heading is chaos ooh

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888 at facebook.com Michael first okay

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we're gonna find this you guys together

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that's is that mi CH AE l te l st AR r

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is that trick that's amore

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okay that's what I'm doing and oh

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there's a dot between the Michael and

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the Telstar folks you go to

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facebook-dot-com forward-slash michael

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dot te l st 8rr michael Telstar so there

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you go very interesting okay I found you

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I'm excited

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alright it's okay because I the other

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ones are a little bit different well

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this it's not chaos guru this is Michael

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Telstar this yeah if you go down check

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the other pages you'll see another two

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pages and then one will be one will so

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the the chaos school it has my own

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information when a supernatural might

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want to ordinary Michael and the other

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one is other bits were Michael well

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let's let's start with first of all who

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are you because I hadn't heard of you

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before it somehow you emailed me and I

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was like this guy looks interesting and

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I think I found you on Facebook actually

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is that where I found you I think so yes

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yeah and I think it was because of the

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Travis Walton I and kind of can't

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remember my boner

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yes mister where we're standing with you

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in a picture and I thought oh well if

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you're hanging out with those two you

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gotta have aliens hanging around with

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you that's right yeah

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I met Travis 25 years ago of the

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Mesquite Nevada at the International

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Eagle for conference there when Bob

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Brown was doing it oh yeah at the time

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you still a little bit a little bit

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somber but he seems to be a little bit

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more relaxed now these days I think he

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is you know it's interesting you said

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that because two or three years well I

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met I met Travis maybe five six seven

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years ago at Congress and I walked up to

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him Michael and I said mr. Walton

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it's not so nice to meet you I would

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love to do an interview with you if you

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don't mind I'm here at the conference

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doing them in the back room and he

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looked at me and he said no I don't want

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to that's absolutely fine I have no

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problem with that and he goes great and

523
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that's all I said too but I walked away

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the next year I walked up to him and I

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said hi mr. wall I know you don't

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remember me from last year but I'm doing

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interviews in the back room do you want

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to be interviewed and he went no not

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really no I don't think so okay no

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problem

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third year I walk up to him and I say

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the same thing and he looks at me he

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goes you know what let's do it just took

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three years that's all I was just like

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oh my god and then we got to know each

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other better and I've sat with Nick's

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next to him at tables at different

538
00:23:41,769 --> 00:23:39,679
conferences that I did that ya know

539
00:23:44,860 --> 00:23:41,779
Travis is a good guy really liking her

540
00:23:47,139 --> 00:23:44,870
yeah and he's finally embraced what's

541
00:23:49,810 --> 00:23:47,149
happened to him you had a whole nother

542
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:49,820
level because you know there there is a

543
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:53,690
thing about his experience was so

544
00:23:59,649 --> 00:23:56,000
traumatic I don't know if people get

545
00:24:01,930 --> 00:23:59,659
what it's like to be dead wake up on a

546
00:24:04,750 --> 00:24:01,940
ship have all different types of aliens

547
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:04,760
working on yet being deposited back here

548
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:07,730
and then to find out that all your

549
00:24:12,370 --> 00:24:10,250
buddies are being accused of murder yeah

550
00:24:15,130 --> 00:24:12,380
I mean it's just long trade everybody

551
00:24:20,620 --> 00:24:15,140
the TV was alive still oh yeah I bet

552
00:24:23,409 --> 00:24:20,630
they were I'm sure they were good oh

553
00:24:25,570 --> 00:24:23,419
yeah let's get back to you so now how

554
00:24:27,519 --> 00:24:25,580
did your you know your beginning start

555
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:27,529
were you seeing aliens when you were a

556
00:24:31,180 --> 00:24:29,600
baby like a lot of people or

557
00:24:34,779 --> 00:24:31,190
was this something that just happened as

558
00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:34,789
you as you got older well I had some

559
00:24:43,270 --> 00:24:39,130
strange experiences when I was about

560
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:43,280
seven eight nine ten I was in [\h__\h]

561
00:24:50,289 --> 00:24:45,890
Maria Alberta between the ages of 10 and

562
00:24:53,020 --> 00:24:50,299
14 I did see some you know considered

563
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:53,030
you a horse and I was in the Army Cadets

564
00:24:57,549 --> 00:24:55,610
and we go winter hiking and camping we

565
00:25:00,159 --> 00:24:57,559
stay overnight two three nights in the

566
00:25:03,250 --> 00:25:00,169
sternum at a time sky is very clear and

567
00:25:06,190 --> 00:25:03,260
we would see some actual unusual objects

568
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:06,200
that would see motherland maybe five six

569
00:25:11,020 --> 00:25:09,679
maybe kilometers away and I wanted to go

570
00:25:13,180 --> 00:25:11,030
have a look to see whatever they were

571
00:25:15,370 --> 00:25:13,190
and a couple other guys but counselors

572
00:25:16,750 --> 00:25:15,380
told us that they were just you know

573
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:16,760
military or whatever there is no

574
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:18,770
military up there and this is we're

575
00:25:25,450 --> 00:25:21,440
talking about quite a while ago so I had

576
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:25,460
repetitive dreams of objects landing for

577
00:25:33,159 --> 00:25:29,650
many years landing from nowhere stars

578
00:25:35,470 --> 00:25:33,169
seemingly dancing in the sky I will keep

579
00:25:38,020 --> 00:25:35,480
succeeding dream in year I would see the

580
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:38,030
lights get also an ulcer to my field of

581
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:40,730
vision and my dream on earth until the

582
00:25:46,810 --> 00:25:43,039
object would land and then eventually

583
00:25:49,779 --> 00:25:46,820
the whatever it was something would come

584
00:25:52,330 --> 00:25:49,789
out someone something on being whatever

585
00:25:54,779 --> 00:25:52,340
it come up to me and communicate with me

586
00:25:57,039 --> 00:25:54,789
this is one of the reasons why I

587
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:57,049
probably went to the bundle Institute

588
00:26:03,909 --> 00:25:59,600
when I was 24 but originally I've become

589
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:03,919
an escape artist I did see that I saw

590
00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:06,890
your GoFundMe page yeah and I saw some

591
00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:09,710
of the amazing magic that you do you

592
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,360
know one of what the other guys it's

593
00:26:15,399 --> 00:26:13,520
very prominent in the UFO field or

594
00:26:19,090 --> 00:26:15,409
conspiracy or whatever field you want to

595
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:19,100
call it our consciousness is paul davids

596
00:26:31,390 --> 00:26:29,690
do you know paul I don't recall him

597
00:26:34,419 --> 00:26:31,400
being at the bears or the conference's

598
00:26:36,399 --> 00:26:34,429
but yeah yeah he comes to a lot of the

599
00:26:39,310 --> 00:26:36,409
consciousness conferences more these

600
00:26:42,370 --> 00:26:39,320
days in the UFO one so yeah I bet he

601
00:26:43,049 --> 00:26:42,380
he's a very interesting guy - do you

602
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:43,059
remember for

603
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:45,610
ackerman the guy who did the monsters

604
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:49,450
from TV land monster from TV land

605
00:26:55,739 --> 00:26:52,450
magazine yeah he was good friends with

606
00:26:59,730 --> 00:26:55,749
4e and he was also a magician at the

607
00:27:02,159 --> 00:26:59,740
Magic Castle in yes Angeles people ask

608
00:27:04,649 --> 00:27:02,169
me that I mean I'm not I'm not a

609
00:27:07,409 --> 00:27:04,659
magician I wasn't an escape artist

610
00:27:10,289 --> 00:27:07,419
and pattern myself after Houdini who I

611
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:10,299
admired at the time and I established

612
00:27:16,859 --> 00:27:12,490
several World Records in the sky apology

613
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:16,869
and I had a desire to want to learn how

614
00:27:20,489 --> 00:27:19,330
the mind and the body worked and I did

615
00:27:25,169 --> 00:27:20,499
this for several years while I was

616
00:27:28,139 --> 00:27:25,179
having these unusual dreams of entities

617
00:27:29,460 --> 00:27:28,149
and life forms and at 24 my girlfriend

618
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:29,470
at the time had mentioned the Monroe

619
00:27:33,149 --> 00:27:31,690
Institute and so she had told me a

620
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:33,159
little bit about them I researched them

621
00:27:37,230 --> 00:27:35,440
and then I applied and I went up there

622
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:37,240
to find out what happened because I was

623
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:39,279
having a lot of but they turned at the

624
00:27:46,739 --> 00:27:43,090
time was overuse wow that's really

625
00:27:49,859 --> 00:27:46,749
amazing so um you consider yourself a

626
00:27:52,049 --> 00:27:49,869
Mentalist is that correct well people

627
00:27:54,450 --> 00:27:52,059
call me that a Mentalist but I really

628
00:27:57,419 --> 00:27:54,460
don't have a label paranormalist might

629
00:28:00,570 --> 00:27:57,429
be better or like that yeah I like that

630
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:00,580
better I think I had paranormalist I

631
00:28:07,139 --> 00:28:03,490
don't I do energy demonstrations and I

632
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:07,149
don't buy I don't have props and I don't

633
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:09,369
have things when I was very young girl

634
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:11,610
all right I may have had some things

635
00:28:19,049 --> 00:28:15,970
when I was you know 14 15 16 but then I

636
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:19,059
realized that there was more to - there

637
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:20,559
was there was real magic let me put it

638
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,970
this way whirring when I did some

639
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:25,679
so-called

640
00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:28,320
mentalism work mind reading or

641
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:31,929
psychometry or predictions sometimes I

642
00:28:35,789 --> 00:28:34,090
would I didn't think I did it correctly

643
00:28:37,980 --> 00:28:35,799
but something happened where I actually

644
00:28:40,169 --> 00:28:37,990
did something that wasn't beyond what

645
00:28:43,259 --> 00:28:40,179
the effect would be so I realized that

646
00:28:46,019 --> 00:28:43,269
something was happening right so the

647
00:28:47,629 --> 00:28:46,029
magic or the mentalism the techniques I

648
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:47,639
learned a nonverbal communication

649
00:28:55,409 --> 00:28:52,000
stimulated some area of my brain and and

650
00:28:56,890 --> 00:28:55,419
that gave me a hypersensitivity I also

651
00:28:58,600 --> 00:28:56,900
my father

652
00:29:01,960 --> 00:28:58,610
took me to the park institute when I was

653
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:01,970
14 and this is of something a different

654
00:29:08,140 --> 00:29:04,370
but I was back those with Asperger's

655
00:29:13,390 --> 00:29:08,150
syndrome a little further back oh sure I

656
00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:13,400
thought every contact he had it you know

657
00:29:17,770 --> 00:29:15,110
it's a it's a neurological condition

658
00:29:19,150 --> 00:29:17,780
another psychological condition and they

659
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:19,160
thought it was autistic but my father

660
00:29:25,650 --> 00:29:21,250
thought it was something all of me right

661
00:29:28,090 --> 00:29:25,660
15 and so he took me to see these

662
00:29:30,670 --> 00:29:28,100
psychiatrists had to trick me to take me

663
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:30,680
there and they asked me questions and so

664
00:29:36,190 --> 00:29:34,610
hundred questions it allows and and he

665
00:29:38,170 --> 00:29:36,200
took me there because he told them some

666
00:29:41,170 --> 00:29:38,180
unusual things that I was talking about

667
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:41,180
and them seemed to make sense to him

668
00:29:45,700 --> 00:29:43,490
and in the long run they told them it

669
00:29:47,140 --> 00:29:45,710
was fine but they wanted to him to come

670
00:29:51,610 --> 00:29:47,150
back the next day to find out why he

671
00:29:54,010 --> 00:29:51,620
thought I was so different so in a way

672
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:54,020
in a way that when I heard that happened

673
00:29:57,850 --> 00:29:55,730
you know I won't execute if I can't see

674
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:57,860
repeat what he said to them right but he

675
00:30:01,960 --> 00:29:59,360
basically said that I fooled three

676
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:01,970
trained psychiatrists you know at the

677
00:30:06,010 --> 00:30:04,250
thinking that I was normal whatever but

678
00:30:08,530 --> 00:30:06,020
they identified with having this

679
00:30:10,180 --> 00:30:08,540
condition of sensitivity which I didn't

680
00:30:12,580 --> 00:30:10,190
know what it was at the time either and

681
00:30:14,050 --> 00:30:12,590
I want you to know that out of about a

682
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:14,060
hundred interviews that I've done and

683
00:30:19,540 --> 00:30:16,730
the pass you're the first person on

684
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:19,550
radio but I have admitted to that

685
00:30:24,850 --> 00:30:22,130
condition so this is not something that

686
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:24,860
I have ever admitted to anyone and maybe

687
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:27,440
two or three people in my entire life

688
00:30:31,780 --> 00:30:29,690
now even my girlfriend of 14 years now

689
00:30:34,570 --> 00:30:31,790
but even not even some of my best

690
00:30:36,700 --> 00:30:34,580
friends now and because it's something

691
00:30:38,740 --> 00:30:36,710
they don't understand yeah yeah

692
00:30:40,450 --> 00:30:38,750
absolutely I want to thank you for

693
00:30:41,740 --> 00:30:40,460
sharing that on the show tonight you

694
00:30:43,930 --> 00:30:41,750
know I thought I'd LinkedIn it because

695
00:30:46,660 --> 00:30:43,940
it's a it's a first time ever

696
00:30:49,090 --> 00:30:46,670
now it's revealed no it's not this is a

697
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:49,100
sensitivity that that can make you go

698
00:30:53,740 --> 00:30:51,290
over the minute bananas a little bit

699
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:53,750
crazy but it's a very strange thing and

700
00:30:57,310 --> 00:30:55,490
it's it's not a psychological statement

701
00:30:58,980 --> 00:30:57,320
so no illogical but they did give me

702
00:31:01,680 --> 00:30:58,990
drug progressive percent

703
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:01,690
get pumps inspiration to help you do

704
00:31:06,690 --> 00:31:04,570
insurance stuff okay time out you gotta

705
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:06,700
let your budget be the boss of you take

706
00:31:09,930 --> 00:31:08,110
control with progressives name your

707
00:31:11,549 --> 00:31:09,940
price tool tell us what you want to pay

708
00:31:13,470 --> 00:31:11,559
for car insurance and we'll help you

709
00:31:15,330 --> 00:31:13,480
find options that fit your budget here's

710
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:15,340
some music to get you pumped get out

711
00:31:19,860 --> 00:31:16,960
into don't don't--i don't gain gain I

712
00:31:21,780 --> 00:31:19,870
hear your budget laughing at you oh wait

713
00:31:23,250 --> 00:31:21,790
that's just those kids laughing at me

714
00:31:24,780 --> 00:31:23,260
ignore them

715
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:24,790
don't get aggressive casualty insurance

716
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:26,050
company and affiliates price and cover

717
00:31:33,930 --> 00:31:30,880
denied limited by state law try to

718
00:31:36,210 --> 00:31:33,940
diminish it and and and I did go on them

719
00:31:37,380 --> 00:31:36,220
and I got off them until I learned what

720
00:31:39,890 --> 00:31:37,390
it was about and then I went to the

721
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:39,900
lungo and that kind of helped me a lot

722
00:31:46,460 --> 00:31:42,610
exactly yeah because you know what I

723
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:46,470
really believe Asperger's is is a -

724
00:31:56,150 --> 00:31:52,480
sensitivity - telepathy empathy it can

725
00:31:59,240 --> 00:31:56,160
be many things you know everybody I know

726
00:32:02,400 --> 00:31:59,250
that is a contact II that is brilliant

727
00:32:04,410 --> 00:32:02,410
has Asperger's every single it's

728
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:04,420
unfortunately a lot of people who's

729
00:32:08,580 --> 00:32:06,880
probably a thousand thousand people that

730
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:08,590
are in institutions that should not be

731
00:32:12,150 --> 00:32:10,330
there that are drugged up so bad that

732
00:32:14,460 --> 00:32:12,160
they can't even feel the cut they're

733
00:32:16,260 --> 00:32:14,470
holding the drink water time because

734
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:16,270
they if the dolls are sense is so

735
00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:18,610
tremendously and I could get off that

736
00:32:24,270 --> 00:32:21,510
stuff willing me unconsciously once I

737
00:32:26,970 --> 00:32:24,280
develop it we'll see that's the thing

738
00:32:28,860 --> 00:32:26,980
you've got a very strong mind and that's

739
00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:28,870
what it takes and every one of the

740
00:32:34,049 --> 00:32:30,750
people I know that have this condition

741
00:32:35,370 --> 00:32:34,059
has told me Laurie and I once I figured

742
00:32:38,370 --> 00:32:35,380
out what it was

743
00:32:40,260 --> 00:32:38,380
I'm smart enough to handle it I'm smart

744
00:32:44,220 --> 00:32:40,270
enough to make it part of my personality

745
00:32:47,310 --> 00:32:44,230
Who I am how I think what I do how I

746
00:32:50,970 --> 00:32:47,320
approach people it just becomes part of

747
00:32:53,220 --> 00:32:50,980
them and it and once you accept it it's

748
00:32:55,260 --> 00:32:53,230
actually a blessing you know a lot of

749
00:32:56,610 --> 00:32:55,270
people a lot of doctors a lot of

750
00:32:59,070 --> 00:32:56,620
psychiatrists a lot of people

751
00:33:00,330 --> 00:32:59,080
fortunately they won't be sometimes as

752
00:33:02,130 --> 00:33:00,340
fortunate and they're going to think

753
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:02,140
it's some sort of a mental condition as

754
00:33:06,210 --> 00:33:04,559
opposed to a neurological one and

755
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:06,220
they're not going to look at the

756
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:08,320
extrasensory or extra sensitive

757
00:33:12,110 --> 00:33:10,960
perception and and that's the way the

758
00:33:16,260 --> 00:33:12,120
pharmaceuticals are

759
00:33:18,690 --> 00:33:16,270
yeah wait terrible they're just terrible

760
00:33:20,580 --> 00:33:18,700
you know I'm uh I don't admit this much

761
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:20,590
on air either but I'm gonna tell you

762
00:33:25,980 --> 00:33:22,090
Michael since you've done it I'm gonna

763
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:25,990
do it - I'm a very empathic person to

764
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:28,480
the point where they thought something

765
00:33:33,330 --> 00:33:30,850
was wrong with me - because one of my

766
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:33,340
problems was every time someone was sick

767
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:36,010
around me I didn't see ghosts but if

768
00:33:42,180 --> 00:33:38,080
someone had cancer I would be getting

769
00:33:44,580 --> 00:33:42,190
sick I would I could feel people's pain

770
00:33:47,850 --> 00:33:44,590
I could just tell that their they had an

771
00:33:50,790 --> 00:33:47,860
emotional issue and I could if they were

772
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:50,800
angry I would be hiding in the corners

773
00:33:56,910 --> 00:33:53,530
if they were you know I mean just I was

774
00:33:58,800 --> 00:33:56,920
I was a little weird as a kid - and they

775
00:33:59,580 --> 00:33:58,810
never diagnosed me with Asperger's that

776
00:34:02,370 --> 00:33:59,590
I know of

777
00:34:05,580 --> 00:34:02,380
but they always said oh she's too

778
00:34:08,130 --> 00:34:05,590
sensitive she can't do this yeah yeah

779
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:08,140
you know whatever and it's just because

780
00:34:14,340 --> 00:34:11,290
I like I'm gonna give you one example a

781
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:14,350
friend of mine went camping with us and

782
00:34:19,890 --> 00:34:16,690
they were leaving and they were moving

783
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:19,900
across country I was so broken up about

784
00:34:26,070 --> 00:34:23,530
them about losing this friend I cried

785
00:34:27,930 --> 00:34:26,080
for like five days literally cried I

786
00:34:29,940 --> 00:34:27,940
just lay down in a ball and cried for

787
00:34:30,990 --> 00:34:29,950
five days as I was losing something very

788
00:34:33,210 --> 00:34:31,000
precious to me

789
00:34:37,290 --> 00:34:33,220
and my parents thought I was crazy

790
00:34:39,540 --> 00:34:37,300
because I was doing this you know and it

791
00:34:43,380 --> 00:34:39,550
was because I was missing that person

792
00:34:45,540 --> 00:34:43,390
already and very emotional / at least I

793
00:34:48,060 --> 00:34:45,550
was I mean I'm 60 now so I've got a

794
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:48,070
handle on it but man I'm telling you the

795
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:50,110
first 15 years of my life were an

796
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:54,490
emotional roller coaster yeah yeah but

797
00:35:06,240 --> 00:34:56,320
I'm sure they were the same for you

798
00:35:08,580 --> 00:35:06,250
you know yes but I well that worked

799
00:35:11,940 --> 00:35:08,590
wonders for you and I gotta say you know

800
00:35:15,090 --> 00:35:11,950
I was fascinated by your escape artist

801
00:35:19,950 --> 00:35:15,100
routines now you you actually did a lot

802
00:35:25,059 --> 00:35:23,380
you did the water tank what is it what

803
00:35:28,839 --> 00:35:25,069
is the water tank called I can never

804
00:35:32,170 --> 00:35:28,849
remember well my fact that he called you

805
00:35:35,890 --> 00:35:32,180
they haven't recovered at times a lot of

806
00:35:39,099 --> 00:35:35,900
course others but it's a basically I

807
00:35:44,829 --> 00:35:39,109
think a lot of where certain bird upside

808
00:35:47,410 --> 00:35:44,839
down blocking channels like pink and

809
00:35:49,660 --> 00:35:47,420
then you have to try to attempt to make

810
00:35:52,359 --> 00:35:49,670
your escape thing is as mine skips are

811
00:35:54,010 --> 00:35:52,369
real and evolutions the real escapes and

812
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:54,020
some of them I'll do right in front of

813
00:36:00,130 --> 00:35:56,690
the audience there is footage on YouTube

814
00:36:02,319 --> 00:36:00,140
that shows me doing my escapes in full

815
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:02,329
view as a postal Houdini having it

816
00:36:06,849 --> 00:36:04,970
covered by a curtain and I think he lost

817
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:06,859
a lot of that but he did it maybe to

818
00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:09,410
retain a secret but there is no more

819
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:11,710
secret you really do have to escape oh

820
00:36:17,710 --> 00:36:14,690
yeah so my escapes were done without a

821
00:36:19,150 --> 00:36:17,720
curtain only for views that people could

822
00:36:23,170 --> 00:36:19,160
she just fell difficult it was to get

823
00:36:25,930 --> 00:36:23,180
out or to do it yes absolutely

824
00:36:27,819 --> 00:36:25,940
wow that's really cool I hope everybody

825
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:27,829
goes online and finds that now how do

826
00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:36,770
they find that is it only if they great

827
00:36:40,990 --> 00:36:39,049
okay now remember everyone it's Michael

828
00:36:43,029 --> 00:36:41,000
just like it's usually spelled but the

829
00:36:50,799 --> 00:36:43,039
last name is a little different it's te

830
00:36:53,319 --> 00:36:50,809
l st a our our star with two hearts okay

831
00:37:00,700 --> 00:36:53,329
so that's how you gotta find them now

832
00:37:03,730 --> 00:37:00,710
let's oh this is true yes that's

833
00:37:06,670 --> 00:37:03,740
something that I I did started doing

834
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:06,680
when I was very young and contrary to

835
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:09,170
popular belief people have that ability

836
00:37:14,529 --> 00:37:12,079
and I had a lot of

837
00:37:18,730 --> 00:37:14,539
hyperactive energy and I would have had

838
00:37:20,650 --> 00:37:18,740
physical things around me um and I

839
00:37:23,500 --> 00:37:20,660
learned how to focus that energy when I

840
00:37:26,019 --> 00:37:23,510
went to the moon roll at the second time

841
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:26,029
I went up there and mr. Monroe was one

842
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:27,650
of my mentors and idols at the time

843
00:37:33,710 --> 00:37:32,720
still is and you can affect let me put

844
00:37:35,930 --> 00:37:33,720
it this way you can affect the

845
00:37:38,270 --> 00:37:35,940
molecules and the energy thoughts are

846
00:37:39,830 --> 00:37:38,280
things spots are energy and people can

847
00:37:43,370 --> 00:37:39,840
project the plots and and energy to

848
00:37:46,010 --> 00:37:43,380
affect others so for example I can touch

849
00:37:47,450 --> 00:37:46,020
you from 25 feet away I can have you

850
00:37:50,270 --> 00:37:47,460
smelling a scent from something that

851
00:37:53,380 --> 00:37:50,280
doesn't exist right and these are things

852
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:53,390
that can actually do and I have done

853
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:55,890
internationally or for conference that

854
00:38:00,560 --> 00:37:58,320
was running walking Nevada by Bob Brown

855
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:00,570
I attended about 14 of them and I

856
00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:03,690
demonstrated disability and I have just

857
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:05,310
come up to me and asked what can i buy

858
00:38:09,530 --> 00:38:07,920
this I says look Mac you can buy it you

859
00:38:11,330 --> 00:38:09,540
got to go to the Monroe or you got to be

860
00:38:15,110 --> 00:38:11,340
born with it or you just got to do it

861
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:15,120
right yes but I had people offer me more

862
00:38:21,050 --> 00:38:17,610
figures and how I will do something and

863
00:38:23,570 --> 00:38:21,060
I says I can't sell it to you otherwise

864
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:23,580
I would be but I can have you hold a key

865
00:38:27,830 --> 00:38:26,250
or spoon and you can hold it and I can

866
00:38:33,410 --> 00:38:27,840
bend it in front of everybody without

867
00:38:35,570 --> 00:38:33,420
touching it Wow yeah yeah and I have and

868
00:38:39,590 --> 00:38:35,580
I have done this and it's a part of your

869
00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:39,600
energy you have it I have it and I call

870
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:45,000
it remain telekinesis right um and and I

871
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:46,110
guess she didn't have the chance to see

872
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:48,450
my background but I took dr. David Moore

873
00:38:55,130 --> 00:38:51,330
else's master's program and back in 2001

874
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:55,140
and so I'm very adept at that also but I

875
00:39:02,030 --> 00:38:57,450
call it remote telekinesis and remote

876
00:39:04,220 --> 00:39:02,040
touching Wow know how to do this like I

877
00:39:06,260 --> 00:39:04,230
don't know how you'd be able to do it

878
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:06,270
I could show some people and some people

879
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:08,370
can do it right away and some people

880
00:39:12,170 --> 00:39:10,560
takes a little longer but I but I've

881
00:39:14,210 --> 00:39:12,180
done over 2,000 programs where I've

882
00:39:16,460 --> 00:39:14,220
actually told people but they're more

883
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:16,470
than physical selves because were more

884
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:18,060
than physical solids that can experience

885
00:39:23,150 --> 00:39:19,920
other energies and energy systems and

886
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:23,160
all that that can make them not do it

887
00:39:27,020 --> 00:39:25,290
unusual and amazing things and how it

888
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:27,030
can why would you apply it or why would

889
00:39:31,340 --> 00:39:29,250
you want to use it it's up to you I

890
00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:31,350
can't say why but once you realize

891
00:39:35,780 --> 00:39:34,110
you're more than your physical self and

892
00:39:37,370 --> 00:39:35,790
increase your self-esteem and confidence

893
00:39:40,060 --> 00:39:37,380
and you can use it for you and perhaps

894
00:39:42,740 --> 00:39:40,070
sell feeling or helping others

895
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:42,750
absolutely yeah this is my goal this has

896
00:39:47,390 --> 00:39:45,170
been my goal for the past three decades

897
00:39:50,089 --> 00:39:47,400
you know

898
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:50,099
banana skateboarders for a long time my

899
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:51,210
name by the way

900
00:39:56,269 --> 00:39:54,569
it had that chance you Scott free for 15

901
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:56,279
years I took the name after a super girl

902
00:40:00,380 --> 00:39:59,520
from a comic book Scott free master

903
00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:00,390
escape artist

904
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:05,910
and so I I liked it you know for six 15

905
00:40:12,859 --> 00:40:08,400
16 years and then I changed it to my

906
00:40:15,380 --> 00:40:12,869
birthday Michael Kosta oh that is

907
00:40:17,390 --> 00:40:15,390
wonderful I did see the scot-free and I

908
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:17,400
thought wow that is a great name

909
00:40:21,950 --> 00:40:19,200
you're scot-free I love it that's

910
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:21,960
weren't able to see my birth sign Friday

911
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:22,770
the 13th

912
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:27,930
what does that make you I mean what

913
00:40:33,769 --> 00:40:30,720
month and what good I mean are you do i

914
00:40:35,420 --> 00:40:33,779
I have I have a 2% of the days I have

915
00:40:38,089 --> 00:40:35,430
one for the 12th but I have one for the

916
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:38,099
13th for some reason the Roman Catholic

917
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:40,410
minister she can't the one for the 13th

918
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:46,650
on the Friday but you're still you're

919
00:40:54,859 --> 00:40:50,880
still a cancer right I mean yes I am a

920
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:54,869
yet summer I love to some I I could

921
00:40:59,150 --> 00:40:56,720
withstand extremely cold temperatures

922
00:41:07,010 --> 00:40:59,160
but I love the summer time that I am a

923
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:07,020
seminar great information now I want to

924
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:10,170
know something I when I saw you bending

925
00:41:14,539 --> 00:41:12,480
that key in that woman's it was either

926
00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:14,549
in your hand or a woman's head I want

927
00:41:17,140 --> 00:41:16,740
you to begin cosmic exploit a few years

928
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:17,150
old

929
00:41:24,589 --> 00:41:20,250
exactly I really cuz I first plenty did

930
00:41:26,660 --> 00:41:24,599
in Canada in fact oh great okay so

931
00:41:30,349 --> 00:41:26,670
you're standing there though but the key

932
00:41:32,930 --> 00:41:30,359
seem to kinda it just you put your hand

933
00:41:35,150 --> 00:41:32,940
over the top of it did you touch it no

934
00:41:37,099 --> 00:41:35,160
did you have your hand away from it I go

935
00:41:40,099 --> 00:41:37,109
I never touched Acadia they had the key

936
00:41:42,589 --> 00:41:40,109
they brought the key up I I invite

937
00:41:45,260 --> 00:41:42,599
people to bring up I can't I can't do

938
00:41:48,140 --> 00:41:45,270
this I'm limited right I'm not a bit

939
00:41:51,410 --> 00:41:48,150
than I'm not I'm not ugly Colton I don't

940
00:41:53,930 --> 00:41:51,420
have unlimited power energy I have a lot

941
00:41:55,549 --> 00:41:53,940
when I catch you know I say to people

942
00:41:58,099 --> 00:41:55,559
look you could love to do it but this is

943
00:42:00,589 --> 00:41:58,109
technique and and I really don't

944
00:42:01,339 --> 00:42:00,599
understand how I do it I just have an

945
00:42:02,989 --> 00:42:01,349
idea of the

946
00:42:05,089 --> 00:42:02,999
technique that I'm using but I still

947
00:42:09,529 --> 00:42:05,099
don't quite understand exactly how it

948
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:09,539
works okay just to let you know I mean

949
00:42:14,450 --> 00:42:12,089
I'm not a hundred percent sure you know

950
00:42:16,549 --> 00:42:14,460
how it works but I can I wish I could

951
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:16,559
show you and I'm sure I'll make you one

952
00:42:20,479 --> 00:42:18,210
day and I will show you and I will

953
00:42:21,859 --> 00:42:20,489
actually show you the technique and how

954
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:21,869
to move a piece of paper and if they

955
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:25,170
never knew Wow if you know how to do

956
00:42:28,670 --> 00:42:28,079
that too and my OS oh I'm so excited I

957
00:42:31,519 --> 00:42:28,680
can't wait

958
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:31,529
it's gonna be fun but you know the

959
00:42:37,099 --> 00:42:33,920
interesting part about this is I think

960
00:42:38,839 --> 00:42:37,109
that you should be I mean this is just

961
00:42:40,940 --> 00:42:38,849
my opinion Michael is there any

962
00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:40,950
scientist in your area that could

963
00:42:46,969 --> 00:42:42,839
measure the kind of energy that's coming

964
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:46,979
off of you in the to get that done oh

965
00:43:00,380 --> 00:42:57,930
yeah yeah I mean I get in the shape and

966
00:43:03,170 --> 00:43:00,390
the shape book [\h__\h] there's a time that

967
00:43:04,999 --> 00:43:03,180
after a lot of practice I can also get

968
00:43:07,729 --> 00:43:05,009
into the output and that adrenaline

969
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:07,739
state while I'm free so my mind is awake

970
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:10,170
in my body system I learn how to do that

971
00:43:18,170 --> 00:43:16,410
to the model and practice but my part of

972
00:43:21,319 --> 00:43:18,180
my brain on the right side is the

973
00:43:22,759 --> 00:43:21,329
suitable cortex ISM it stimulated that

974
00:43:25,999 --> 00:43:22,769
the money I'm going to do divinity

975
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:26,009
imaging scan their special catchment

976
00:43:30,289 --> 00:43:27,690
controllers that environmental chamber

977
00:43:32,180 --> 00:43:30,299
the master shampoo and they recorded my

978
00:43:34,130 --> 00:43:32,190
areas of the brain that was stimulated

979
00:43:40,299 --> 00:43:34,140
when I was having the remote viewing

980
00:43:43,219 --> 00:43:40,309
session or other bodies and people whose

981
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:43,229
Lorien they're just not aware you know

982
00:43:47,180 --> 00:43:45,450
they're not actually aware that you

983
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:47,190
become conscious and aware of it and you

984
00:43:51,170 --> 00:43:48,960
didn't want to learn it but opinions

985
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:51,180
that like a bodybuilder I became

986
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:52,079
obsessed with it

987
00:43:57,559 --> 00:43:55,890
by 2020 20 years old you know by the

988
00:44:00,319 --> 00:43:57,569
time I was 20 I was obsessed with

989
00:44:02,779 --> 00:44:00,329
developing this it's my own physical

990
00:44:03,709 --> 00:44:02,789
ability and I would practice and solo

991
00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:03,719
self-employed

992
00:44:08,569 --> 00:44:06,569
doing my escapes and other stuff I would

993
00:44:11,930 --> 00:44:08,579
crack this morning noon and night just

994
00:44:14,810 --> 00:44:11,940
be able to shut it shut it off and bring

995
00:44:18,020 --> 00:44:14,820
it on at all which I can do today and

996
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:18,030
in hospitals I played enough tricks for

997
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:22,770
the doctor standing by oh stop I do that

998
00:44:27,140 --> 00:44:25,530
page you get a couple of nurses have

999
00:44:29,900 --> 00:44:27,150
them take my pulses and I'll get them to

1000
00:44:31,610 --> 00:44:29,910
speed up and slow down and you stop over

1001
00:44:34,850 --> 00:44:31,620
at the same time and that's an autonomic

1002
00:44:36,650 --> 00:44:34,860
nervous reflex and that's a that's a

1003
00:44:38,810 --> 00:44:36,660
technique that I learned but I don't

1004
00:44:41,660 --> 00:44:38,820
know how I do it either I guess no I do

1005
00:44:44,570 --> 00:44:41,670
it exactly and I'm gonna tell you

1006
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:44,580
something I was a professional dancer

1007
00:45:07,790 --> 00:44:47,040
and I used to have to be in my body or

1008
00:45:12,860 --> 00:45:07,800
out of my body or whatever I'm sorry you

1009
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:12,870
must be any high alpha state that beer I

1010
00:45:17,870 --> 00:45:16,410
barely hear my dear I go a little super

1011
00:45:19,580 --> 00:45:17,880
privation will do that for you I

1012
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:19,590
wouldn't advise it but it is a great way

1013
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:21,930
to get a doctor state yeah I'm kind of

1014
00:45:32,180 --> 00:45:25,200
high right now to be honest yes how many

1015
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:32,190
scratches have you had start laughing so

1016
00:45:35,870 --> 00:45:33,930
hard I'm not gonna be able dude oh okay

1017
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:35,880
I gotta get my act together here okay so

1018
00:45:40,490 --> 00:45:39,090
as a dancer I understand what you're

1019
00:45:42,890 --> 00:45:40,500
talking about when you work with your

1020
00:45:45,230 --> 00:45:42,900
body and your body becomes like a tool

1021
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:45,240
then your mind actually kind of

1022
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:47,490
separates and you start learning how to

1023
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:50,130
use your mind separate from your body

1024
00:45:55,790 --> 00:45:53,760
and people don't get that but I used to

1025
00:45:58,850 --> 00:45:55,800
get on a stage it was like my mind was

1026
00:46:01,490 --> 00:45:58,860
floating around on top of the body it

1027
00:46:04,370 --> 00:46:01,500
wasn't really part of it because my body

1028
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:04,380
had to do what it had been learning for

1029
00:46:08,990 --> 00:46:07,110
months and it was thinking about

1030
00:46:10,220 --> 00:46:09,000
something completely different than

1031
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:10,230
moving my arm

1032
00:46:15,260 --> 00:46:12,930
it was thinking oh don't forget you got

1033
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:15,270
to be over here at this point and don't

1034
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:17,730
forget that salsas picking me up at this

1035
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:23,010
point and you know do double ring with

1036
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:26,610
it guys change yeah yeah I was in a

1037
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:27,970
ballet company and then

1038
00:46:35,370 --> 00:46:29,920
was in a jazz company and then I had my

1039
00:46:37,950 --> 00:46:35,380
own modern dance company everybody yes

1040
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:37,960
you either have to be synchronous or you

1041
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:40,210
have to be a soloist I mean it's kind of

1042
00:46:46,380 --> 00:46:42,910
like got to do everything you know and

1043
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:46,390
it but the brain does separate and you

1044
00:46:50,940 --> 00:46:48,160
know people talking about that as being

1045
00:46:54,060 --> 00:46:50,950
in the zone in sports yeah I call the

1046
00:46:56,099 --> 00:46:54,070
game zone yeah yeah yeah gymnasts do it

1047
00:46:58,020 --> 00:46:56,109
all the time and they do it naturally

1048
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:58,030
because they're the same thing their

1049
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:00,400
body's trained to do one thing that's

1050
00:47:06,780 --> 00:47:05,050
only after exam dance for a hundred a

1051
00:47:08,849 --> 00:47:06,790
thousand our people think it's

1052
00:47:11,970 --> 00:47:08,859
effortless because you just do it but

1053
00:47:14,420 --> 00:47:11,980
you practice for untold hours for days

1054
00:47:17,820 --> 00:47:14,430
months and years so your body

1055
00:47:20,250 --> 00:47:17,830
automatically is it's automatic but it's

1056
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:20,260
taking you consciously many many many

1057
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:22,450
hours to learn that so to the degree

1058
00:47:27,810 --> 00:47:24,570
that you can do that that's how are you

1059
00:47:29,609 --> 00:47:27,820
yeah people ask me to this date Michael

1060
00:47:32,220 --> 00:47:29,619
they go we're going dancing you want to

1061
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:32,230
come with us and I go hell no I said I

1062
00:47:38,190 --> 00:47:34,960
spent eight hours a day seven days a

1063
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:38,200
week for 3540 years in the dance room

1064
00:47:44,130 --> 00:47:39,970
the last thing I want to do is go dance

1065
00:47:48,089 --> 00:47:44,140
for fun Michigan no not at all actually

1066
00:47:55,020 --> 00:47:48,099
I thought everything on the page no no I

1067
00:47:58,560 --> 00:47:55,030
really don't I I danced till I was 35

1068
00:48:02,280 --> 00:47:58,570
and then that was no I actually danced I

1069
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:02,290
was 33 and then when I was 33 to 42 I

1070
00:48:07,020 --> 00:48:05,290
had my own company and then at 42 you

1071
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:07,030
was the end of it I just said that's it

1072
00:48:14,250 --> 00:48:09,520
I'm done now and the reason I don't miss

1073
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:14,260
it Michael is because there's not a lot

1074
00:48:21,450 --> 00:48:17,410
of gratification in it because it's a

1075
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:21,460
it's a self propelling thing and you

1076
00:48:30,030 --> 00:48:23,650
know unless you're a ballerina star

1077
00:48:36,060 --> 00:48:30,040
there's really nowhere to go with it it

1078
00:48:39,210 --> 00:48:36,070
was when I was younger yes yes oh yeah I

1079
00:48:40,650 --> 00:48:39,220
also was a tap dancer a belly dancer

1080
00:48:44,609 --> 00:48:40,660
which that's good

1081
00:48:46,740 --> 00:48:44,619
you very well yeah I was a jazz dancer I

1082
00:48:52,740 --> 00:48:46,750
did all I did everything I was in three

1083
00:48:55,020 --> 00:48:52,750
companies at one point yeah I did I had

1084
00:48:57,779 --> 00:48:55,030
a blast I tell people I really had a

1085
00:49:00,900 --> 00:48:57,789
blast but by the time I was 42 I

1086
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:00,910
realized that it's a self you know it's

1087
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:03,010
kind of like a self emulating thing you

1088
00:49:08,849 --> 00:49:04,450
know it's not something you do for

1089
00:49:11,490 --> 00:49:08,859
others and and I realized that I needed

1090
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:11,500
to do something for others and I kind of

1091
00:49:16,170 --> 00:49:13,690
stumbled into this world and I don't

1092
00:49:19,500 --> 00:49:16,180
know how I I do know who he damaged your

1093
00:49:25,260 --> 00:49:19,510
way into it I did I kind of am realizing

1094
00:49:26,789 --> 00:49:25,270
it you just kind of yeah to a beat of a

1095
00:49:30,450 --> 00:49:26,799
different drum as they said sure but

1096
00:49:31,980 --> 00:49:30,460
yeah one day I woke up and something

1097
00:49:34,740 --> 00:49:31,990
happened and I said I'm gonna do

1098
00:49:37,289 --> 00:49:34,750
something different and and you know so

1099
00:49:39,630 --> 00:49:37,299
there I was but the UFO community is a

1100
00:49:41,010 --> 00:49:39,640
very interesting place to be because

1101
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:41,020
it's I don't know if you've been

1102
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:42,970
following this Michael are you following

1103
00:49:48,329 --> 00:49:45,250
the disclosure that's going on right now

1104
00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:48,339
yes even Greer and I have been following

1105
00:49:54,779 --> 00:49:52,569
it religiously you know it's just one of

1106
00:49:58,349 --> 00:49:54,789
those things that I I got connected to

1107
00:50:00,200 --> 00:49:58,359
of I guess I started talking about et's

1108
00:50:03,089 --> 00:50:00,210
millions you know when I was uh

1109
00:50:04,740 --> 00:50:03,099
seventeen eighteen and then people were

1110
00:50:06,539 --> 00:50:04,750
probably dying before that and after a

1111
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:06,549
while I didn't care because I knew that

1112
00:50:10,319 --> 00:50:08,319
there was there was something there and

1113
00:50:11,700 --> 00:50:10,329
I would talk about it and then after

1114
00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:11,710
that people didn't put me down anymore

1115
00:50:17,970 --> 00:50:15,250
but you know I wasn't afraid to speak

1116
00:50:19,650 --> 00:50:17,980
about it but that's good it didn't

1117
00:50:23,039 --> 00:50:19,660
matter to me what anyone thought because

1118
00:50:24,839 --> 00:50:23,049
I knew yeah exactly see you knew the

1119
00:50:27,059 --> 00:50:24,849
truth you knew what was happening and

1120
00:50:28,890 --> 00:50:27,069
love was good what I was told to my

1121
00:50:33,539 --> 00:50:28,900
other doctors that I wasn't mean

1122
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:33,549
screaming that wasn't me that was good

1123
00:50:42,089 --> 00:50:35,890
yes yes that's good when they say you're

1124
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:42,099
not a loser baby Michael what I'm asking

1125
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:43,930
though is you've been following the

1126
00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:46,510
latest disclosure stuff with to the

1127
00:50:53,890 --> 00:50:50,529
stars Academy to Tom DeLonge yes what do

1128
00:51:00,770 --> 00:50:56,660
but there's some veracity and some truth

1129
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:00,780
to it and you have to take it as it

1130
00:51:06,170 --> 00:51:04,559
comes right and depending on the

1131
00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:06,180
credibility of the person and the

1132
00:51:12,049 --> 00:51:08,609
reputation that's how much you can maybe

1133
00:51:14,990 --> 00:51:12,059
perhaps absorb it's always good to have

1134
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:15,000
a skeptical side and but the thing is is

1135
00:51:19,460 --> 00:51:17,040
that it comes from individuals and

1136
00:51:24,260 --> 00:51:19,470
people that have been around for decades

1137
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:24,270
and they don't have a ulterior motive to

1138
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:26,160
saying it you know there have been some

1139
00:51:31,789 --> 00:51:28,290
authors out there for example any one

1140
00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:31,799
author 23 years ago who wrote a

1141
00:51:35,690 --> 00:51:33,960
completely fictional account about

1142
00:51:38,359 --> 00:51:35,700
abductions and he was at one of the Bob

1143
00:51:40,250 --> 00:51:38,369
Browns beautiful conferences in LA club

1144
00:51:42,109 --> 00:51:40,260
about it for a week and their

1145
00:51:44,299 --> 00:51:42,119
investigators did a check up background

1146
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:44,309
on him and they found out fourth day

1147
00:51:48,589 --> 00:51:46,170
into the conference after these at his

1148
00:51:53,660 --> 00:51:48,599
talk that he was a professional science

1149
00:51:59,480 --> 00:51:53,670
fiction writer Oh was that so we char go

1150
00:52:05,569 --> 00:51:59,490
perhaps yes a friend of mine Michael

1151
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:05,579
oh yeah is that the book would have sold

1152
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:08,250
probably just as well but just that they

1153
00:52:13,370 --> 00:52:10,559
did it they did a background check Bob

1154
00:52:14,690 --> 00:52:13,380
Brown would do that right even even

1155
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:14,700
checked my background with the mother

1156
00:52:20,059 --> 00:52:18,450
Institute and other things but um god

1157
00:52:23,180 --> 00:52:20,069
bless them I haven't seen Bob in a long

1158
00:52:24,829 --> 00:52:23,190
time I guess probably more than a dozen

1159
00:52:27,890 --> 00:52:24,839
years since his wife passed away Eric

1160
00:52:30,589 --> 00:52:27,900
but they were very professional so if

1161
00:52:32,839 --> 00:52:30,599
the person has a professional reputation

1162
00:52:34,940 --> 00:52:32,849
and credibility then I think though the

1163
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:34,950
information that they're are taking that

1164
00:52:40,250 --> 00:52:37,920
they're delivering to you probably has a

1165
00:52:43,549 --> 00:52:40,260
heck of a lot of substance to it than

1166
00:52:45,380 --> 00:52:43,559
others otherwise worth I agree with you

1167
00:52:49,099 --> 00:52:45,390
on that and the interesting thing about

1168
00:52:58,700 --> 00:52:49,109
Lee and what he did at that conference

1169
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:58,710
because I you know for these out of the

1170
00:53:03,620 --> 00:53:00,720
week didn't anybody ever but I did like

1171
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:03,630
the viola I still like the guy but no we

1172
00:53:07,020 --> 00:53:05,040
got a great picture of us together but

1173
00:53:09,210 --> 00:53:07,030
you know what kind of shape

1174
00:53:11,550 --> 00:53:09,220
yeah ya know that what I was gonna bring

1175
00:53:13,860 --> 00:53:11,560
up was the point that I think he went

1176
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:13,870
into that to see how far he could you

1177
00:53:18,660 --> 00:53:16,000
know push him and see what this is they

1178
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:18,670
never figure it out cuz I lead it he's a

1179
00:53:24,780 --> 00:53:22,690
trickster you know he might have fun

1180
00:53:27,090 --> 00:53:24,790
with it I don't think he thought they

1181
00:53:30,690 --> 00:53:27,100
would take him too seriously you know

1182
00:53:32,370 --> 00:53:30,700
yeah yeah he didn't he I don't think he

1183
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:32,380
quite understood did you have followed

1184
00:53:37,710 --> 00:53:35,290
she hasn't scammers and that you know I

1185
00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:37,720
could do that and get away with it

1186
00:53:43,140 --> 00:53:39,730
Ryan this is like we're talking over 20

1187
00:53:46,170 --> 00:53:43,150
years ago exactly yeah it's quite a

1188
00:53:47,730 --> 00:53:46,180
while ago but a lot of people that

1189
00:53:50,580 --> 00:53:47,740
bought the stuff about his books and

1190
00:53:53,940 --> 00:53:50,590
stuff I guess the weren't too happy yeah

1191
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:53,950
that's okay you know everybody does

1192
00:53:59,700 --> 00:53:56,400
their thing and you know I just figure

1193
00:54:02,010 --> 00:53:59,710
let bygones be bygones you know if you

1194
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:02,020
can't see her to be never was invited to

1195
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:14,610
I didn't speak at my last conference

1196
00:54:20,010 --> 00:54:16,690
just so you know because it was 20 years

1197
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:20,020
since he did that at the Congress and 20

1198
00:54:27,210 --> 00:54:23,530
years since the book was the book that

1199
00:54:33,390 --> 00:54:27,220
the oh god what is his name Applewhite

1200
00:54:36,030 --> 00:54:33,400
the comet guy yeah yeah that's what it

1201
00:54:38,310 --> 00:54:36,040
was all about for me so I brought it to

1202
00:54:40,860 --> 00:54:38,320
the conference to discuss why the book

1203
00:54:44,340 --> 00:54:40,870
was the big apple white thing so yeah

1204
00:54:46,770 --> 00:54:44,350
yeah interesting well if I ever come to

1205
00:54:49,820 --> 00:54:46,780
one of your conferences what I'll do is

1206
00:54:52,860 --> 00:54:49,830
I'll have you as a volunteer right and

1207
00:54:54,810 --> 00:54:52,870
I'll do something extraordinary well

1208
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:54,820
I'll make you move in a certain way

1209
00:55:00,530 --> 00:54:57,520
without telling you how or I may touch

1210
00:55:04,610 --> 00:55:00,540
you in a certain way from 50 feet away

1211
00:55:08,610 --> 00:55:04,620
yeah that's a like and you could verify

1212
00:55:11,310 --> 00:55:08,620
implications yeah no kidding and I

1213
00:55:13,110 --> 00:55:11,320
learned I can do this by a teenager but

1214
00:55:15,780 --> 00:55:13,120
but but you could tell them that it's

1215
00:55:18,750 --> 00:55:15,790
not a trick or it's not something that

1216
00:55:20,030 --> 00:55:18,760
was people I mean you won't know I mean

1217
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:20,040
you know what I'm saying

1218
00:55:24,650 --> 00:55:23,410
people I don't have accomplices I don't

1219
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:24,660
use any Stooges

1220
00:55:31,230 --> 00:55:27,930
everybody is a complete stranger to me

1221
00:55:33,780 --> 00:55:31,240
or somebody I've never met before but I

1222
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:33,790
really enjoy doing that and I did do

1223
00:55:39,350 --> 00:55:37,210
that actually at Bob Browns I did I did

1224
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:39,360
appeared about 18 of his conferences

1225
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:42,490
demonstrating these abilities but some

1226
00:55:46,620 --> 00:55:44,410
people in wondering what the heck am I

1227
00:55:50,010 --> 00:55:46,630
doing here or what am i doing there and

1228
00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:50,020
I did my programs there too but there's

1229
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:51,250
nothing that would please me more to

1230
00:55:55,470 --> 00:55:53,200
tell you the truth Lorien than to be

1231
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:55,480
able to share my experiences of

1232
00:55:59,940 --> 00:55:57,760
knowledge with people in the US and some

1233
00:56:01,560 --> 00:55:59,950
of these conferences I wish I could make

1234
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:01,570
that happen but it's for something I've

1235
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:04,000
been trying to for 20 years and for some

1236
00:56:09,210 --> 00:56:05,680
reason I just can't seem to break into

1237
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:09,220
there well you know I understand the the

1238
00:56:15,060 --> 00:56:12,160
problem and I think everybody needs to

1239
00:56:17,490 --> 00:56:15,070
see your GoFundMe page because I truly

1240
00:56:20,900 --> 00:56:17,500
believe that what you're doing right now

1241
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:20,910
is very important that it's taught and

1242
00:56:25,770 --> 00:56:23,050
by the way we've got three minutes

1243
00:56:27,090 --> 00:56:25,780
before the first break and only break so

1244
00:56:30,570 --> 00:56:27,100
I just want to let you know that Michael

1245
00:56:32,130 --> 00:56:30,580
and then what do you put it back what

1246
00:56:37,770 --> 00:56:32,140
are you going to break I'm going to

1247
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:37,780
break probably I don't know your foot no

1248
00:56:42,510 --> 00:56:40,720
no I got I got a cup of copper that I

1249
00:56:51,240 --> 00:56:42,520
want to break the cup because they need

1250
00:56:53,070 --> 00:56:51,250
more coffee but what if I can get up and

1251
00:56:55,370 --> 00:56:53,080
make it in that three or four minutes so

1252
00:56:58,590 --> 00:56:55,380
you've got at the top of the hour maybe

1253
00:57:00,540 --> 00:56:58,600
yeah well anyhow but I want to talk

1254
00:57:02,790 --> 00:57:00,550
about when we come back though I want to

1255
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:02,800
get really focused here and I want us to

1256
00:57:10,380 --> 00:57:06,160
talk about your if you remember any of

1257
00:57:12,090 --> 00:57:10,390
your experiences do you have any stories

1258
00:57:15,330 --> 00:57:12,100
beyond just lights in the sky or

1259
00:57:17,070 --> 00:57:15,340
anything like we have yes great so we're

1260
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:17,080
to talk about those of you come back and

1261
00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:19,690
you know it's so good that you were able

1262
00:57:23,550 --> 00:57:22,240
to get to Bob's Browns conferences all

1263
00:57:26,580 --> 00:57:23,560
those years I think that's just

1264
00:57:30,030 --> 00:57:26,590
extraordinary do you remember a woman by

1265
00:57:33,580 --> 00:57:30,040
the name of Melinda Leslie oh yeah yeah

1266
00:57:39,010 --> 00:57:33,590
we were we were the whirlpool together

1267
00:57:43,570 --> 00:57:39,020
oh no Barry I will never tell her I know

1268
00:57:45,130 --> 00:57:43,580
that she'll remember maybe about eight

1269
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:45,140
or nine it must be in the hot tub you

1270
00:57:48,910 --> 00:57:47,210
know after the conference you know and a

1271
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:48,920
bunch of us be up to four or five in the

1272
00:57:53,350 --> 00:57:51,440
morning talking in the one of the you

1273
00:57:59,950 --> 00:57:53,360
know places their bars or whatever but

1274
00:58:02,050 --> 00:57:59,960
absolutely I know Melinda yes she will

1275
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:02,060
I'm sure she will I'm talking to her

1276
00:58:06,370 --> 00:58:03,440
with the show's over time she's one of

1277
00:58:07,180 --> 00:58:06,380
my best friends was a nice lady I really

1278
00:58:09,250 --> 00:58:07,190
liked her a lot

1279
00:58:11,980 --> 00:58:09,260
yeah she's in a minute you know what I

1280
00:58:14,590 --> 00:58:11,990
mean interview I like their energy she

1281
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:14,600
has the best energy she could be my

1282
00:58:20,050 --> 00:58:16,640
friend Michael she didn't have the best

1283
00:58:23,110 --> 00:58:20,060
energy okay so that simple and she does

1284
00:58:26,290 --> 00:58:23,120
a spoon bending workshop and I want to

1285
00:58:27,970 --> 00:58:26,300
talk a little bit about well we're

1286
00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:27,980
almost hitting the break but what do you

1287
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:29,110
know uri geller

1288
00:58:34,690 --> 00:58:32,690
yeah I met URI uh I've been nine we

1289
00:58:37,090 --> 00:58:34,700
should be regular for 130 years now

1290
00:58:38,830 --> 00:58:37,100
oh okay what do you three do one that

1291
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:38,840
taught me he's the one that taught me on

1292
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:40,490
how to move that piece of paper are kind

1293
00:58:45,730 --> 00:58:43,130
of a needle when I was seven 17 18 years

1294
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:45,740
old okay well we're going to talk about

1295
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:47,570
that a little more when we come back

1296
00:58:52,180 --> 00:58:50,090
because I'm very curious about the way

1297
00:58:53,860 --> 00:58:52,190
he teaches and you're one of the few

1298
00:58:56,590 --> 00:58:53,870
people I know that he's ever taught

1299
00:58:59,710 --> 00:58:56,600
anything to everybody else says oh yeah

1300
00:59:01,540 --> 00:58:59,720
I saw his show or a many 'm but nobody

1301
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:01,550
that I know has ever learned anything

1302
00:59:06,220 --> 00:59:04,130
from him so you're quite unique in that

1303
00:59:08,350 --> 00:59:06,230
category so we'll talk about that we

1304
00:59:09,940 --> 00:59:08,360
come back you know Angie let's let's

1305
00:59:12,370 --> 00:59:09,950
take it to a break because we're almost

1306
00:59:14,140 --> 00:59:12,380
at the top of the hour and we'll be back

1307
00:59:17,999 --> 00:59:14,150
in a few minutes folks with Michael

1308
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:20,559
welcome back everyone to the California

1309
00:59:24,969 --> 00:59:22,640
MUFON radio show I'm your host Lori and

1310
00:59:27,009 --> 00:59:24,979
Fenton I'm glad you guys are with us

1311
00:59:28,749 --> 00:59:27,019
here tonight as I explained earlier this

1312
00:59:30,969 --> 00:59:28,759
show I'm a little giddy and probably

1313
00:59:34,349 --> 00:59:30,979
elucidating and that's what happens when

1314
00:59:36,849 --> 00:59:34,359
you have like over an hour's sleep and

1315
00:59:38,799 --> 00:59:36,859
I'm really happy to be with Michael

1316
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:38,809
tonight you know I'm really kind of glad

1317
00:59:44,380 --> 00:59:41,599
that I'm out in space with Michael

1318
00:59:47,099 --> 00:59:44,390
because it's very interesting Michael

1319
00:59:49,269 --> 00:59:47,109
has had a lot of really amazing

1320
00:59:51,519 --> 00:59:49,279
experiences and you know Michael was

1321
00:59:52,839 --> 00:59:51,529
interesting about the people I know that

1322
00:59:55,539 --> 00:59:52,849
have Asperger's

1323
00:59:57,819 --> 00:59:55,549
they are amazing achievers and you

1324
01:00:01,630 --> 00:59:57,829
achieve so much when you were younger

1325
01:00:03,789 --> 01:00:01,640
with your escape artist acts and you're

1326
01:00:05,349 --> 01:00:03,799
you know you're meant if well we call

1327
01:00:13,359 --> 01:00:05,359
what are you whatever you're calling or

1328
01:00:15,519 --> 01:00:13,369
normally applications yeah I mean you've

1329
01:00:18,939 --> 01:00:15,529
really accomplished some amazing things

1330
01:00:20,709 --> 01:00:18,949
and you know I'm just really happy for

1331
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:20,719
you that you've been able to do your

1332
01:00:26,349 --> 01:00:24,319
passion your entire life and so few

1333
01:00:29,769 --> 01:00:26,359
people get that I hope that you're aware

1334
01:00:31,660 --> 01:00:29,779
that you're very very lucky and I gotta

1335
01:00:34,719 --> 01:00:31,670
say one other thing I know from your

1336
01:00:38,019 --> 01:00:34,729
perspective it isn't always easy but I

1337
01:00:39,489 --> 01:00:38,029
can tell you this I know you already you

1338
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:39,499
wouldn't have done anything any

1339
01:00:46,029 --> 01:00:43,609
different is that correct no yeah I

1340
01:00:50,410 --> 01:00:46,039
would have gone the same would I had

1341
01:00:53,620 --> 01:00:50,420
gone on and I discovered that being an

1342
01:00:56,439 --> 01:00:53,630
escape artist was like those Yogi's who

1343
01:01:00,459 --> 01:00:56,449
do those things were they lay on a bed

1344
01:01:03,309 --> 01:01:00,469
of nails was a type of self-portrait it

1345
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:03,319
was something I had to go through Borean

1346
01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:05,359
in order to discipline my body and I

1347
01:01:10,029 --> 01:01:08,569
understand my mind yeah absolutely and I

1348
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:10,039
didn't understand at the time until

1349
01:01:16,209 --> 01:01:12,650
later on I realized I had to do it you

1350
01:01:21,279 --> 01:01:16,219
know what I had to do it I had a choice

1351
01:01:24,009 --> 01:01:21,289
not to but I had to go through doing it

1352
01:01:26,259 --> 01:01:24,019
it's like being outside for four hours

1353
01:01:29,460 --> 01:01:26,269
and the freezing cold and then coming

1354
01:01:32,550 --> 01:01:29,470
inside the starlight lounge presents

1355
01:01:34,980 --> 01:01:32,560
progressive box oh what a great audience

1356
01:01:37,620 --> 01:01:34,990
let's stim the lights for this next one

1357
01:01:39,359 --> 01:01:37,630
Oh too much ah there it is

1358
01:01:41,460 --> 01:01:39,369
gotta get things just right like

1359
01:01:42,930 --> 01:01:41,470
progressives name your price tool tell

1360
01:01:44,550 --> 01:01:42,940
us what you want to pay and we help you

1361
01:01:49,500 --> 01:01:44,560
find coverage options that fit your

1362
01:01:51,450 --> 01:01:49,510
budget and now the mood is right wait

1363
01:01:53,609 --> 01:01:51,460
the lights are back on again tree can

1364
01:01:55,260 --> 01:01:53,619
you and now it's completely dark

1365
01:01:56,339 --> 01:01:55,270
progressive casualty insurance company

1366
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:56,349
affiliates pricing coverage match

1367
01:02:04,220 --> 01:02:00,160
limited by state law appreciating that

1368
01:02:07,380 --> 01:02:04,230
difference yes so I have to do that and

1369
01:02:09,690 --> 01:02:07,390
yeah that's just the way it was yeah

1370
01:02:11,970 --> 01:02:09,700
yeah well on the break we were talking

1371
01:02:15,060 --> 01:02:11,980
about the fact that you've had some

1372
01:02:17,339 --> 01:02:15,070
amazing like alien encounters too so

1373
01:02:18,990 --> 01:02:17,349
let's get right into that because I know

1374
01:02:20,580 --> 01:02:19,000
everybody it's like going God Lord he's

1375
01:02:23,130 --> 01:02:20,590
just losing it tonight she's all over

1376
01:02:25,050 --> 01:02:23,140
the map so let's get real focused and

1377
01:02:26,910 --> 01:02:25,060
let's go right into some of your

1378
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:26,920
encounters and you were telling me about

1379
01:02:31,820 --> 01:02:28,690
a certain one you had when you were out

1380
01:02:36,839 --> 01:02:31,830
of body that sounds fascinating I have

1381
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:36,849
about it yeah I have some validation I

1382
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:40,530
have some physical proof and some

1383
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:43,330
photographs of markings over on my body

1384
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:45,119
just to let you know about one

1385
01:02:50,220 --> 01:02:48,640
experience that I had um I guess from 20

1386
01:02:53,190 --> 01:02:50,230
to 23

1387
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:53,200
I had these experiences where I would

1388
01:02:58,380 --> 01:02:55,210
project into the second state I call it

1389
01:03:00,720 --> 01:02:58,390
and leave my body and I would go out

1390
01:03:03,450 --> 01:03:00,730
there and I would see these objects

1391
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:03,460
floating in the sky and one looked like

1392
01:03:08,670 --> 01:03:06,490
a colossal pyramid one looked like us it

1393
01:03:12,210 --> 01:03:08,680
was uh like a sphere one look like

1394
01:03:14,310 --> 01:03:12,220
another ship cigar shape and on one way

1395
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:14,320
or the other and and and some of them

1396
01:03:19,859 --> 01:03:16,930
motionless not moving and some moving

1397
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:19,869
stove so I wanted to go up there and see

1398
01:03:24,349 --> 01:03:22,570
and check what help right so I have

1399
01:03:27,900 --> 01:03:24,359
towards it and the thing would move away

1400
01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:27,910
okay so I I would I would world myself

1401
01:03:31,349 --> 01:03:29,680
it took me a while to learn how to do

1402
01:03:34,109 --> 01:03:31,359
this but I willed myself to go up there

1403
01:03:36,450 --> 01:03:34,119
and it would move away so I saw another

1404
01:03:39,870 --> 01:03:36,460
one that was closer I go towards it it

1405
01:03:42,060 --> 01:03:39,880
wouldn't believe I saw another one and I

1406
01:03:46,110 --> 01:03:42,070
tried to go towards it

1407
01:03:49,770 --> 01:03:46,120
and I willed myself to get through it

1408
01:03:53,130 --> 01:03:49,780
take it easy and it would always Oh away

1409
01:03:55,650 --> 01:03:53,140
from me right this happened for two

1410
01:03:59,340 --> 01:03:55,660
years oh wow

1411
01:04:02,850 --> 01:03:59,350
two years so so I got determined I said

1412
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:02,860
why am I not giving why am I not getting

1413
01:04:08,850 --> 01:04:06,010
there inside there whatever it is you

1414
01:04:11,190 --> 01:04:08,860
know and and I realized that I kept

1415
01:04:12,260 --> 01:04:11,200
getting distracted from one object the

1416
01:04:16,710 --> 01:04:12,270
next

1417
01:04:18,870 --> 01:04:16,720
so I I put it in my head where in that

1418
01:04:22,710 --> 01:04:18,880
next time the next times I'm gonna

1419
01:04:25,410 --> 01:04:22,720
forget I am going to be Aaron focused so

1420
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:25,420
that's what I did I projected I was

1421
01:04:32,270 --> 01:04:28,450
lucid I mean three four or five in the

1422
01:04:35,790 --> 01:04:32,280
morning I'm out I see something right

1423
01:04:36,180 --> 01:04:35,800
right go towards it it moves away this

1424
01:04:38,940 --> 01:04:36,190
time

1425
01:04:44,930 --> 01:04:38,950
i I what I did what I had planted an

1426
01:04:48,180 --> 01:04:44,940
anchor to the object it's called I did I

1427
01:04:50,070 --> 01:04:48,190
identity signature I planted an anchor

1428
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:50,080
to the object it's a technique I learned

1429
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:52,690
from the Monroe I planted an anchor to

1430
01:04:59,850 --> 01:04:56,530
it so that when it moved away I kind of

1431
01:05:03,570 --> 01:04:59,860
won with it and it moved faster right

1432
01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:03,580
and right I move faster with it I got I

1433
01:05:07,050 --> 01:05:05,680
got the impression that I was traveling

1434
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:07,060
and I know this is silly I thought which

1435
01:05:12,750 --> 01:05:09,970
was traveling 10,000 miles an hour this

1436
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:12,760
thing went through mountains and went

1437
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:15,970
through places but I never identified or

1438
01:05:22,980 --> 01:05:19,930
seen and and as I was as I moved I was

1439
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:22,990
really myself in to get ocean ocean and

1440
01:05:28,710 --> 01:05:26,050
all of a sudden pop I find myself inside

1441
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:28,720
and guess what it's just like I'm in a

1442
01:05:34,740 --> 01:05:31,330
physical wing there's not a room okay

1443
01:05:38,090 --> 01:05:34,750
it's a really I I drew the pictures down

1444
01:05:41,940 --> 01:05:38,100
I have diagrams it's like a reeling and

1445
01:05:44,250 --> 01:05:41,950
this was a triangular shape chef chef is

1446
01:05:47,310 --> 01:05:44,260
the looking okay I don't know what the

1447
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:47,320
size was but I was inside I got what

1448
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:49,450
appeared to be reeling and what looked

1449
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:52,410
like 50 feet ahead of me look like to

1450
01:05:58,740 --> 01:05:55,330
extraterrestrial 52 to long physical

1451
01:06:02,700 --> 01:05:58,750
beings right that appeared to be about

1452
01:06:04,980 --> 01:06:02,710
five feet ten and they would look like

1453
01:06:07,410 --> 01:06:04,990
what people call the grace but they were

1454
01:06:09,690 --> 01:06:07,420
not great you were brown skin okay but

1455
01:06:12,300 --> 01:06:09,700
they had the big guys well I'm on there

1456
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:12,310
and when I usually got on that reeling

1457
01:06:15,710 --> 01:06:14,770
right I cuts the reeling and I could

1458
01:06:19,140 --> 01:06:15,720
feel it

1459
01:06:21,570 --> 01:06:19,150
gee this is kind of cool and as soon as

1460
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:21,580
I got there the two of them turning

1461
01:06:29,220 --> 01:06:24,970
around look right at me and they asked

1462
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:29,230
me to please leave politely please leave

1463
01:06:34,620 --> 01:06:32,530
right and it's just I'm not gonna leave

1464
01:06:38,490 --> 01:06:34,630
I'm staying it took me two years to get

1465
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:38,500
here and they look right at me and

1466
01:06:43,050 --> 01:06:40,330
that's what that kind of absolutely

1467
01:06:46,410 --> 01:06:43,060
often yeah but because I expect the

1468
01:06:48,750 --> 01:06:46,420
unexpected you know I was ready for at

1469
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:48,760
that time I had I had developed my

1470
01:06:52,410 --> 01:06:51,250
ability so that panic and fear they're

1471
01:06:54,210 --> 01:06:52,420
not putting me back into my physical

1472
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:54,220
body by the way but that feel all doo

1473
01:07:01,800 --> 01:06:57,130
doo doo so they asked so I said no no I

1474
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:01,810
scream I'm gonna watch you guys so one

1475
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:03,970
of them looks like he's walking and I by

1476
01:07:08,460 --> 01:07:06,160
the way I can steal the floor and I

1477
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:08,470
could feel what used to be the railing a

1478
01:07:14,550 --> 01:07:11,650
beam and he's walking towards me he's

1479
01:07:16,170 --> 01:07:14,560
wearing the belt he's wearing a

1480
01:07:20,820 --> 01:07:16,180
one-piece suit with a belt that's about

1481
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:20,830
three inches and three inches wide and I

1482
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:22,480
look like it was studded with diamonds

1483
01:07:29,820 --> 01:07:25,810
or jewels and in the belt look like

1484
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:29,830
there was a wand those about eight to

1485
01:07:34,110 --> 01:07:30,370
ten inches

1486
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:34,120
nah buy me half an inch in diameter he

1487
01:07:37,500 --> 01:07:36,160
took the round out and he's taking it

1488
01:07:38,010 --> 01:07:37,510
out and I thought maybe he's gonna give

1489
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:38,020
it to me

1490
01:07:46,650 --> 01:07:44,410
I get a massive electric shock massive

1491
01:07:50,790 --> 01:07:46,660
electric shock me and I could feel

1492
01:07:53,070 --> 01:07:50,800
myself going back backwards to the

1493
01:07:54,780 --> 01:07:53,080
mountains we we went through buildings

1494
01:07:57,180 --> 01:07:54,790
and mountains and valleys

1495
01:07:59,190 --> 01:07:57,190
I had chased them for I don't know

1496
01:08:02,130 --> 01:07:59,200
halfway around the world I could really

1497
01:08:03,780 --> 01:08:02,140
topi go back right back in and like got

1498
01:08:05,610 --> 01:08:03,790
back because my physical body actually

1499
01:08:09,220 --> 01:08:05,620
jumped about two or three feet off the

1500
01:08:14,050 --> 01:08:09,230
day oh my god this

1501
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:14,060
same thing like standing up I was so

1502
01:08:18,249 --> 01:08:16,970
afraid I had an experience I gotta tell

1503
01:08:19,780 --> 01:08:18,259
you about it because Mike and that

1504
01:08:21,010 --> 01:08:19,790
wasn't a dream that was that was solid

1505
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:21,020
it wasn't a dream

1506
01:08:25,570 --> 01:08:22,730
because I I know the difference and I

1507
01:08:27,579 --> 01:08:25,580
teach in revolutionary boots who's

1508
01:08:29,740 --> 01:08:27,589
streaming an ordinary games and at the

1509
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:29,750
time I wasn't I wasn't and that's

1510
01:08:35,019 --> 01:08:32,290
something I never told anybody for years

1511
01:08:40,990 --> 01:08:35,029
Wow that's what I wore khakis or

1512
01:08:42,910 --> 01:08:41,000
whatever they document that's that's a

1513
01:08:45,190 --> 01:08:42,920
trip well before we get on to your next

1514
01:08:49,420 --> 01:08:45,200
story because that's just fascinating to

1515
01:08:51,910 --> 01:08:49,430
me I got out of my body because an evil

1516
01:08:54,190 --> 01:08:51,920
entity popped up out of the floor in my

1517
01:08:56,380 --> 01:08:54,200
room and I jumped out of my body and I

1518
01:09:01,630 --> 01:08:56,390
took off running to get out of the house

1519
01:09:04,690 --> 01:09:01,640
and when I went back in my body I hit my

1520
01:09:11,010 --> 01:09:04,700
body so hard that I was I was standing

1521
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:11,020
within half a second I'd literally yeah

1522
01:09:16,090 --> 01:09:14,210
yeah I know exactly what happened to you

1523
01:09:18,340 --> 01:09:16,100
because that had the same thing happened

1524
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:18,350
to me it doesn't happen to very many

1525
01:09:23,470 --> 01:09:20,690
people unless they're really tugged back

1526
01:09:26,349 --> 01:09:23,480
or they're pulled back out of deep fear

1527
01:09:31,289 --> 01:09:26,359
or you know in your case you were being

1528
01:09:36,999 --> 01:09:34,479
whatever being it was they look like

1529
01:09:39,370 --> 01:09:37,009
what you throw a tease but I learned

1530
01:09:42,849 --> 01:09:39,380
from what mr. Monroe never to label the

1531
01:09:45,460 --> 01:09:42,859
EEG try to do like a journalist yeah

1532
01:09:47,650 --> 01:09:45,470
yeah it makes sense so I do that from

1533
01:09:55,260 --> 01:09:47,660
him and so but I think that was laughing

1534
01:10:01,900 --> 01:09:58,810
did you ever draw them or have you seen

1535
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:01,910
renditions that they'll - I'm an artist

1536
01:10:09,970 --> 01:10:06,800
I I'm okay artist at 10 years old so i

1537
01:10:12,850 --> 01:10:09,980
am i cannot i can draw exact details of

1538
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:12,860
ships interiors engines which i've done

1539
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:13,690
already

1540
01:10:22,710 --> 01:10:16,960
what i haven't shared with anybody I

1541
01:10:24,750 --> 01:10:22,720
haven't anything yeah

1542
01:10:26,750 --> 01:10:24,760
you could put a book together put all

1543
01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:26,760
this in it which would be kinda cool

1544
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:32,110
what do you think I was going to do that

1545
01:10:39,420 --> 01:10:37,210
and two years ago somebody broke into my

1546
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:39,430
storage unit and four years of my life

1547
01:10:49,380 --> 01:10:46,090
was stolen oh my all my special

1548
01:10:53,070 --> 01:10:49,390
equipment in all my drawings painting

1549
01:10:55,340 --> 01:10:53,080
schematics everything and it was an

1550
01:10:58,380 --> 01:10:55,350
inside job and police will do nothing

1551
01:11:01,260 --> 01:10:58,390
yeah I mean nothing to investigate it

1552
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:01,270
and it was a year after my mom passed on

1553
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:05,170
and and it felt like I died twice in a

1554
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:06,490
Dorian it was not a very good feeling

1555
01:11:12,750 --> 01:11:09,010
but I lost a massive amount of

1556
01:11:15,870 --> 01:11:12,760
information yeah I know it's hard to

1557
01:11:18,810 --> 01:11:15,880
reconstruct it it truly is I know I'm

1558
01:11:21,150 --> 01:11:18,820
trying yeah I say give it a shot you

1559
01:11:24,180 --> 01:11:21,160
never know maybe it won't be a thousand

1560
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:24,190
pages maybe it'd only be 250 or 300 but

1561
01:11:28,530 --> 01:11:26,170
people need to know about your

1562
01:11:31,230 --> 01:11:28,540
experiences because from from what I'm

1563
01:11:33,780 --> 01:11:31,240
understanding you've - you've had them

1564
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:33,790
all and that's what's interesting about

1565
01:11:38,340 --> 01:11:36,370
people like yourself like I I have

1566
01:11:40,980 --> 01:11:38,350
friends that just you know hang out the

1567
01:11:43,410 --> 01:11:40,990
greys or the the Nordics or you know

1568
01:11:46,410 --> 01:11:43,420
whatever people like yourself

1569
01:11:51,540 --> 01:11:46,420
Jason quit myself a few other people I

1570
01:11:53,220 --> 01:11:51,550
know and yeah Jason was at the Union

1571
01:11:56,100 --> 01:11:53,230
cosmetic school right next to each other

1572
01:11:59,280 --> 01:11:56,110
oh good good now he's a wonderful

1573
01:12:02,280 --> 01:11:59,290
wonderful guy yeah his wife was waiting

1574
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:02,290
for Birkin but all my materials oh cool

1575
01:12:06,570 --> 01:12:04,930
I might throw my lecture that I didn't

1576
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:06,580
she bought all my stuff she wanted to

1577
01:12:12,270 --> 01:12:07,930
take my program but she couldn't have

1578
01:12:16,770 --> 01:12:12,280
enough time Oh his wife is lovely too by

1579
01:12:20,250 --> 01:12:16,780
the yes yeah but what I'm trying to say

1580
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:20,260
here is there's very few people out

1581
01:12:25,020 --> 01:12:22,570
there that have had different types of

1582
01:12:27,500 --> 01:12:25,030
experiences and you seem to me that

1583
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:27,510
you're one of those you've had the the

1584
01:12:32,940 --> 01:12:30,850
kinetic the empathic you've had the

1585
01:12:36,270 --> 01:12:32,950
out-of-body you've probably had alien

1586
01:12:38,490 --> 01:12:36,280
contact you know you've had it all and

1587
01:12:49,310 --> 01:12:38,500
there's a bunch of us running around who

1588
01:12:56,010 --> 01:12:53,610
terrified them oh really now okay me I

1589
01:12:58,890 --> 01:12:56,020
may be weird but that would have

1590
01:13:00,330 --> 01:12:58,900
fascinated the heck out of me so I

1591
01:13:02,670 --> 01:13:00,340
really expected it but they didn't

1592
01:13:04,890 --> 01:13:02,680
expect it it didn't do something serious

1593
01:13:08,070 --> 01:13:04,900
but then when they saw what happened you

1594
01:13:09,450 --> 01:13:08,080
know they didn't know well you know they

1595
01:13:11,220 --> 01:13:09,460
should have been happy that it's

1596
01:13:13,260 --> 01:13:11,230
happening for you man I mean I would

1597
01:13:15,300 --> 01:13:13,270
have been like cool get their autograph

1598
01:13:21,570 --> 01:13:15,310
and come home I'm terrified of being

1599
01:13:22,110 --> 01:13:21,580
taken away or something yeah yeah no I

1600
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:22,120
get it

1601
01:13:26,820 --> 01:13:24,970
well speaking of now tell us about an

1602
01:13:36,230 --> 01:13:26,830
alien encounter you had that was like a

1603
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:36,240
physical one I had one um this is uh I

1604
01:13:46,020 --> 01:13:41,410
mean I'm sleeping and I'm having a lot

1605
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:46,030
of these experiences you know after 20 I

1606
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:47,890
seem to see that they seem to kind of

1607
01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:49,930
escalate right you have been a

1608
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:54,400
relationship for two years I had you

1609
01:13:59,580 --> 01:13:57,370
know on you know were in a finished

1610
01:14:03,450 --> 01:13:59,590
attic we have the second floor and a

1611
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:03,460
finished attic and I'm sleeping and all

1612
01:14:10,830 --> 01:14:07,090
of a sudden um seems to be I like coming

1613
01:14:15,450 --> 01:14:10,840
out of the closet and the closets

1614
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:15,460
probably 25 feet from the bed and I wake

1615
01:14:21,480 --> 01:14:17,650
up in my Copen

1616
01:14:28,410 --> 01:14:21,490
well 14 years of time wakes up and the

1617
01:14:33,630 --> 01:14:28,420
door opens right and person comes out of

1618
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:33,640
the closet right but they're not they

1619
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:36,730
don't appear to be you they don't appear

1620
01:14:45,810 --> 01:14:40,890
to be extraterrestrial okay

1621
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:45,820
female female looking okay completely

1622
01:14:54,580 --> 01:14:50,560
naked right okay from the cloud

1623
01:14:56,820 --> 01:14:54,590
moving in a parallel line one and then

1624
01:15:02,440 --> 01:14:56,830
another lying straight that occurred

1625
01:15:03,940 --> 01:15:02,450
coming up to the bed she she was aware

1626
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:03,950
of it but she can't move

1627
01:15:13,060 --> 01:15:08,690
I can mean I moved extremely slowly

1628
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:13,070
because I am NOT terrified right just

1629
01:15:24,330 --> 01:15:17,810
extremely not shocked but very surprised

1630
01:15:27,970 --> 01:15:24,340
right okay and this person was about

1631
01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:27,980
well they appeared over six feet okay

1632
01:15:36,490 --> 01:15:33,440
and they're interested no you know it's

1633
01:15:40,180 --> 01:15:36,500
a female appear to be easier looking

1634
01:15:47,430 --> 01:15:40,190
with a pageboy haircut oh my god

1635
01:15:51,670 --> 01:15:47,440
transferred skin oh my god I knew

1636
01:15:54,130 --> 01:15:51,680
incredibly slowly from laying down I'm

1637
01:15:58,900 --> 01:15:54,140
seeing like moving up sitting up courts

1638
01:16:02,410 --> 01:15:58,910
right okay and and I'm able to move in

1639
01:16:05,650 --> 01:16:02,420
my heart next to me can't not move but

1640
01:16:08,430 --> 01:16:05,660
her eyes are open and I said and I and

1641
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:08,440
the person comes right up to the bed now

1642
01:16:13,420 --> 01:16:11,090
person is very tall but they're not

1643
01:16:20,770 --> 01:16:13,430
because of levitating six inches off the

1644
01:16:25,060 --> 01:16:20,780
floor okay and I move I move inch by

1645
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:25,070
inch very slow because I don't know if

1646
01:16:32,130 --> 01:16:28,010
this is real or not and I push I realize

1647
01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:32,140
it's real but I don't wanna do anything

1648
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:34,880
right on towards it like you know what I

1649
01:16:41,590 --> 01:16:38,930
mean I know well yeah I've had no attack

1650
01:16:45,370 --> 01:16:41,600
though no fear moon and I went up to

1651
01:16:51,550 --> 01:16:45,380
them with about three feet of their face

1652
01:16:53,260 --> 01:16:51,560
and I said to them and my head it

1653
01:16:54,730 --> 01:16:53,270
sounded like I was coming from my mouth

1654
01:16:59,130 --> 01:16:54,740
but it was in my head I says to them

1655
01:17:03,130 --> 01:16:59,140
that you cannot possibly be real and

1656
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:03,140
they Lord they had slightly

1657
01:17:08,290 --> 01:17:06,290
so that the rise were about a foot and a

1658
01:17:11,430 --> 01:17:08,300
half of mine looking at my eyes very

1659
01:17:15,130 --> 01:17:11,440
large people's and they were saying that

1660
01:17:16,950 --> 01:17:15,140
this what they said she said I'm as real

1661
01:17:20,860 --> 01:17:16,960
as you are

1662
01:17:23,290 --> 01:17:20,870
Wow yeah yeah

1663
01:17:26,230 --> 01:17:23,300
Michael this is just one entity right

1664
01:17:28,270 --> 01:17:26,240
and then yes but then yeah then the girl

1665
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:28,280
was knocked out I was shaking so much

1666
01:17:35,470 --> 01:17:31,570
that's another story though cool

1667
01:17:38,440 --> 01:17:35,480
very interesting yeah I don't remember

1668
01:17:41,710 --> 01:17:38,450
she remembered it she told me all I told

1669
01:17:45,130 --> 01:17:41,720
her she remembered it and she was afraid

1670
01:17:47,100 --> 01:17:45,140
to talk about it right but we talked

1671
01:17:49,750 --> 01:17:47,110
about it later um

1672
01:17:52,270 --> 01:17:49,760
and then I had other things happened to

1673
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:52,280
me where I doubted my sanity you know

1674
01:17:57,970 --> 01:17:54,130
you have something happen to you

1675
01:17:59,640 --> 01:17:57,980
Orion and you got your sanity I'm not

1676
01:18:02,860 --> 01:17:59,650
down here I'm not old you're not young

1677
01:18:08,860 --> 01:18:02,870
right now it's me that's a daily process

1678
01:18:10,300 --> 01:18:08,870
for this physical confirmation yeah if

1679
01:18:12,010 --> 01:18:10,310
you're not going out the wall and that

1680
01:18:15,010 --> 01:18:12,020
that did happen to me a couple times

1681
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:15,020
where I thought I was really losing it

1682
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:19,730
and for some reason a grower was allowed

1683
01:18:27,670 --> 01:18:22,210
whatever they were allowed to give me

1684
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:27,680
physical proof you know why I'll tell

1685
01:18:32,380 --> 01:18:29,930
you about it if you want yes please do

1686
01:18:33,940 --> 01:18:32,390
please but before we go on I got

1687
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:33,950
interject something Michael there's a

1688
01:18:40,020 --> 01:18:37,250
new movie out about a guy who has had

1689
01:18:42,700 --> 01:18:40,030
sexual relations with an extra

1690
01:18:47,700 --> 01:18:42,710
extraterrestrial woman that you

1691
01:18:51,970 --> 01:18:47,710
described to a tee it's her sister okay

1692
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:51,980
and so this this extraterrestrial woman

1693
01:18:56,590 --> 01:18:54,170
you're talking about naked and she has

1694
01:18:58,570 --> 01:18:56,600
boobs and the whole bit right I mean she

1695
01:19:00,760 --> 01:18:58,580
looks like a human

1696
01:19:03,970 --> 01:19:00,770
yeah but her but her skin is very

1697
01:19:08,620 --> 01:19:03,980
translucent and she's got short black

1698
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:08,630
hair and big black eyes right yes yeah

1699
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:14,690
you're describing oriental right exactly

1700
01:19:19,149 --> 01:19:16,610
okay that is

1701
01:19:21,220 --> 01:19:19,159
exact same description of this woman

1702
01:19:25,030 --> 01:19:21,230
that has been having a relationship with

1703
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:25,040
this guy forever that they made a new

1704
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:27,170
movie about that I'll get you the name

1705
01:19:30,669 --> 01:19:28,850
of it but you're just blowing my mind

1706
01:19:34,570 --> 01:19:30,679
because you're describing the exact same

1707
01:19:37,180 --> 01:19:34,580
woman twenty-two years yeah well he was

1708
01:19:39,459 --> 01:19:37,190
this has been going on his whole life he

1709
01:19:42,669 --> 01:19:39,469
started having a relationship with her

1710
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:42,679
or her sister when he was like you know

1711
01:19:48,490 --> 01:19:46,010
a little kid like five or six and then

1712
01:19:50,050 --> 01:19:48,500
as he grew up he started having a real

1713
01:19:53,379 --> 01:19:50,060
relationship you know a sexual

1714
01:20:04,270 --> 01:19:53,389
relationship with her so yeah very while

1715
01:20:06,609 --> 01:20:04,280
I wasn't I wasn't that lucky okay did

1716
01:20:08,830 --> 01:20:06,619
you get lucky that one night yeah yeah

1717
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:08,840
one night stand' yeah yeah yeah yeah oh

1718
01:20:14,169 --> 01:20:11,690
by the way what I did tell her she heard

1719
01:20:16,750 --> 01:20:14,179
it she hit me so hard in the shoulder

1720
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:16,760
and made me a bruise oh because you did

1721
01:20:23,919 --> 01:20:23,210
have relations but she remembered it he

1722
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:23,929
hit me so hard

1723
01:20:31,870 --> 01:20:27,170
I remember it I mean she hit me punch

1724
01:20:35,770 --> 01:20:31,880
was hard she didn't mean to but I said

1725
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:35,780
this wasn't somebody I I didn't call her

1726
01:20:45,070 --> 01:20:38,090
whatever or I did but I know I don't

1727
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:45,080
know but you know what I don't know if I

1728
01:20:48,910 --> 01:20:47,090
probably did punched you too cuz you

1729
01:20:51,070 --> 01:20:48,920
know she had to sit there watch the

1730
01:20:52,689 --> 01:20:51,080
whole thing right yeah I mean she did

1731
01:20:53,350 --> 01:20:52,699
watch it up at that one then they pass

1732
01:20:56,140 --> 01:20:53,360
the road

1733
01:20:58,629 --> 01:20:56,150
oh I see so she didn't get to see the

1734
01:21:01,930 --> 01:20:58,639
good juicy stuff okay yeah it didn't

1735
01:21:03,459 --> 01:21:01,940
happen there oh dude oh god this is

1736
01:21:10,930 --> 01:21:03,469
getting better you want to tell us where

1737
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:10,940
it went to where you guys went yeah take

1738
01:21:15,459 --> 01:21:13,210
your hand told me to take your hand and

1739
01:21:15,939 --> 01:21:15,469
and then we just shipped it somewhere

1740
01:21:18,820 --> 01:21:15,949
else

1741
01:21:20,379 --> 01:21:18,830
oh I got it that's exactly what happened

1742
01:21:21,939 --> 01:21:20,389
to this guy god you're gonna love this

1743
01:21:24,550 --> 01:21:21,949
movie I'm gonna make sure you get a copy

1744
01:21:27,820 --> 01:21:24,560
of it okay and I grew older style in a

1745
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:27,830
thousand-page adrenaline and and I had

1746
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:30,530
the records for five years and now

1747
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:32,890
then one day the journal disappeared oh

1748
01:21:38,830 --> 01:21:36,410
oh yeah I told that to the moms the tube

1749
01:21:40,900 --> 01:21:38,840
to their psychologist up there and there

1750
01:21:43,300 --> 01:21:40,910
other people up there and he told me why

1751
01:21:45,130 --> 01:21:43,310
it happened but I won't get that losing

1752
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:45,140
right away not right now that's fine

1753
01:21:49,330 --> 01:21:47,330
that's fine so did you guys go through

1754
01:21:51,850 --> 01:21:49,340
you just were in another physical

1755
01:21:53,740 --> 01:21:51,860
location where they're other now this is

1756
01:21:56,050 --> 01:21:53,750
gonna sound like a crazy question but

1757
01:21:58,270 --> 01:21:56,060
trust me I've got a reason for asking

1758
01:22:00,730 --> 01:21:58,280
were there other naked women that looked

1759
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:00,740
like her in the in the same place that

1760
01:22:05,500 --> 01:22:03,530
you guys went she's the only one she's

1761
01:22:07,150 --> 01:22:05,510
the only one was there a praying mantis

1762
01:22:12,310 --> 01:22:07,160
being there by chance

1763
01:22:14,380 --> 01:22:12,320
no I'm aware of those beings but okay

1764
01:22:18,430 --> 01:22:14,390
all right I'm just trying to get a bead

1765
01:22:20,170 --> 01:22:18,440
on whether it's working yeah I mean

1766
01:22:23,290 --> 01:22:20,180
maybe a couple dozen others but not that

1767
01:22:26,440 --> 01:22:23,300
one not that one not not that experience

1768
01:22:28,180 --> 01:22:26,450
okay gotcha so now tell us about any

1769
01:22:30,220 --> 01:22:28,190
other experiences you might have had

1770
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:30,230
these are just juicy I'm telling you

1771
01:22:38,410 --> 01:22:32,770
Michael I'm loving it

1772
01:22:40,150 --> 01:22:38,420
well I you know I was remote you know

1773
01:22:44,380 --> 01:22:40,160
we're more viewing is read of course oh

1774
01:22:47,500 --> 01:22:44,390
I dunno yeah so so i everybody does that

1775
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:47,510
without realizing it i took more houses

1776
01:22:53,890 --> 01:22:52,010
more houses class in 97 an amazing guy

1777
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:53,900
get an incredible teacher incredible

1778
01:22:59,800 --> 01:22:56,290
each woman is a mentor for five years

1779
01:23:02,680 --> 01:22:59,810
and and I I took the master's class I

1780
01:23:04,180 --> 01:23:02,690
Diego in 2001 and I was learning to

1781
01:23:07,060 --> 01:23:04,190
develop the ability even though I was

1782
01:23:08,980 --> 01:23:07,070
already doing it beforehand my specialty

1783
01:23:11,500 --> 01:23:08,990
is extended remote viewing that poured

1784
01:23:13,180 --> 01:23:11,510
in the moment so extended remote viewing

1785
01:23:14,500 --> 01:23:13,190
means when your body is a stream your

1786
01:23:16,900 --> 01:23:14,510
minds awake and you're able to go to

1787
01:23:19,090 --> 01:23:16,910
these different places so I had a lot of

1788
01:23:26,500 --> 01:23:19,100
experiences of extended remote viewing

1789
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:26,510
and one experience I had and that three

1790
01:23:35,260 --> 01:23:30,170
life forms three parent female life

1791
01:23:38,350 --> 01:23:35,270
forms right and with my remote viewing

1792
01:23:40,510 --> 01:23:38,360
experience III understand the difference

1793
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:40,520
between OBEs and remote viewing and I

1794
01:23:44,260 --> 01:23:42,290
explained that the people in my programs

1795
01:23:46,990 --> 01:23:44,270
but I won't get into that here

1796
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:47,000
too long I was having a remote viewing

1797
01:23:53,500 --> 01:23:50,930
but I was there and I was there I was

1798
01:23:56,610 --> 01:23:53,510
there more than just mine not physical

1799
01:24:03,160 --> 01:23:56,620
body but more than just mine I met three

1800
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:03,170
female entities like once and they told

1801
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:06,050
me I asked them who are they and why am

1802
01:24:11,670 --> 01:24:08,210
I here they told me they were from the

1803
01:24:16,030 --> 01:24:11,680
armed star system called ladies and

1804
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:16,040
there were three females eat one female

1805
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:18,050
beautiful woman by the way the local

1806
01:24:23,170 --> 01:24:21,050
females one female woman would ask me

1807
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:23,180
questions and I would answer her or the

1808
01:24:26,830 --> 01:24:25,130
other two were looking at me and then

1809
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:26,840
the other one would ask questions while

1810
01:24:30,910 --> 01:24:28,250
the other two were looking at me and

1811
01:24:33,190 --> 01:24:30,920
this has happened for a little while

1812
01:24:34,690 --> 01:24:33,200
right and I told him I says you know

1813
01:24:35,290 --> 01:24:34,700
what this is crazy I'm just dreaming

1814
01:24:43,990 --> 01:24:35,300
this

1815
01:24:46,210 --> 01:24:44,000
we are then we are the beans you refer

1816
01:24:48,700 --> 01:24:46,220
to as that but that's not what they call

1817
01:24:50,620 --> 01:24:48,710
themselves right of course that's not

1818
01:24:53,170 --> 01:24:50,630
their true name right I mean do not

1819
01:24:56,050 --> 01:24:53,180
refer to themselves as that it's a much

1820
01:25:02,200 --> 01:24:56,060
more ancient name but that's the name

1821
01:25:05,290 --> 01:25:02,210
and I had had probably about 85 to 90

1822
01:25:08,110 --> 01:25:05,300
experiences of these beings in the

1823
01:25:09,670 --> 01:25:08,120
second state so I was reviewing and I

1824
01:25:11,830 --> 01:25:09,680
told them this is all whatever I'm

1825
01:25:13,690 --> 01:25:11,840
dreaming it I don't believe it

1826
01:25:15,430 --> 01:25:13,700
this and that they gave me a lot of

1827
01:25:20,770 --> 01:25:15,440
information they told me a lot was going

1828
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:20,780
to happen so the next day right I'm with

1829
01:25:27,070 --> 01:25:23,090
the same girlfriend I don't tell this to

1830
01:25:32,490 --> 01:25:27,080
anybody next day I come back in from

1831
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:32,500
what I'm doing maybe four o'clock and my

1832
01:25:39,250 --> 01:25:34,730
corporate time she was working as a

1833
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:39,260
waitress and she worked half a year the

1834
01:25:44,500 --> 01:25:41,210
other half of the year she was doing

1835
01:25:47,410 --> 01:25:44,510
shoulder pain and I came back and I

1836
01:25:52,390 --> 01:25:47,420
remember the old-style boring machines

1837
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:58,110
so I listened to my messages message

1838
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:09,220
you you will be needed this is them time

1839
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:13,810
to change career that's it

1840
01:26:22,660 --> 01:26:18,770
female voice sound sound deep almost

1841
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:22,670
robotic right I played it and I couldn't

1842
01:26:26,620 --> 01:26:23,210
believe it

1843
01:26:28,510 --> 01:26:26,630
and that night before I said I'd never

1844
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:28,520
believe it unless I had evidence

1845
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:32,330
wherever I had poof and in the very next

1846
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:34,850
day I got that on my answering machine

1847
01:26:41,500 --> 01:26:40,130
and I kept those two tapes for a dozen

1848
01:26:45,220 --> 01:26:41,510
years before they vanished

1849
01:26:46,750 --> 01:26:45,230
Wow and that's that's the truth I will

1850
01:26:49,810 --> 01:26:46,760
take a lie detector test

1851
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:49,820
Trudy Kathy has any tests but that's

1852
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:51,890
what they said they said time this with

1853
01:27:03,280 --> 01:26:56,570
the recorder time to change career this

1854
01:27:06,100 --> 01:27:03,290
is them Wow a woman's voice deep no

1855
01:27:08,649 --> 01:27:06,110
emotion straight simple and that's it

1856
01:27:10,660 --> 01:27:08,659
yeah yeah Michael I need to interrupt

1857
01:27:11,890 --> 01:27:10,670
you for just a second and the reason I

1858
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:11,900
do is because I want people to

1859
01:27:21,250 --> 01:27:18,170
understand something Stan Romanek and

1860
01:27:24,130 --> 01:27:21,260
many others have gotten the same voice

1861
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:24,140
on their message machines as well over

1862
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:26,449
the years and you know as early as the

1863
01:27:33,340 --> 01:27:29,890
90s a message machines started happening

1864
01:27:37,060 --> 01:27:33,350
contact these were getting those type of

1865
01:27:39,100 --> 01:27:37,070
messages I do know that Stan's messages

1866
01:27:42,399 --> 01:27:39,110
are played in his movie and you know

1867
01:27:44,830 --> 01:27:42,409
folks you know if you've got a problem

1868
01:27:47,020 --> 01:27:44,840
with Stan then have a problem with Stan

1869
01:27:49,990 --> 01:27:47,030
I have no problem with you having a

1870
01:27:52,450 --> 01:27:50,000
problem with him but what I want you to

1871
01:27:55,930 --> 01:27:52,460
do is I still want you to rent the movie

1872
01:27:59,200 --> 01:27:55,940
the Stan Romanek story extraordinary

1873
01:28:01,540 --> 01:27:59,210
because I'm telling you folks there's no

1874
01:28:06,910 --> 01:28:01,550
way you can fake aliens like Stan like

1875
01:28:09,910 --> 01:28:06,920
supposedly stand-in yeah I was

1876
01:28:10,910 --> 01:28:09,920
incredible I was was beyond belief that

1877
01:28:17,890 --> 01:28:10,920
I would actually get

1878
01:28:24,530 --> 01:28:22,580
and I never and I accused my ex tour all

1879
01:28:27,890 --> 01:28:24,540
the time

1880
01:28:29,630 --> 01:28:27,900
accused her ID leader and just how could

1881
01:28:31,340 --> 01:28:29,640
I say that to you when you never told me

1882
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:31,350
what happened I never told her what

1883
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:33,090
happened I never told anybody would

1884
01:28:38,870 --> 01:28:37,170
happen oh it was secret I mean I kept

1885
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:38,880
secret what happened to be secret cause

1886
01:28:42,650 --> 01:28:39,690
it was embarrassing

1887
01:28:43,340 --> 01:28:42,660
I found that embarrassing couple yeah of

1888
01:28:45,620 --> 01:28:43,350
course

1889
01:28:48,260 --> 01:28:45,630
well that makes total sense and it's

1890
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:48,270
very interesting anyhow you're not the

1891
01:28:53,150 --> 01:28:50,730
only contact deed this has happened to

1892
01:28:54,650 --> 01:28:53,160
and to be honest with you I'm surprised

1893
01:28:58,640 --> 01:28:54,660
the men in black haven't taken

1894
01:29:00,919 --> 01:28:58,650
everything you owned know what I think

1895
01:29:03,530 --> 01:29:00,929
they might have to just remember a man

1896
01:29:05,570 --> 01:29:03,540
four years of my life was gone I know I

1897
01:29:08,990 --> 01:29:05,580
had stuff in rows of years old

1898
01:29:12,100 --> 01:29:09,000
in that garage there storage and none of

1899
01:29:15,010 --> 01:29:12,110
it was ordinary stuff you know a lot of

1900
01:29:16,729 --> 01:29:15,020
special things that I had in there that

1901
01:29:20,270 --> 01:29:16,739
finally just vanished

1902
01:29:22,340 --> 01:29:20,280
yeah yeah it kind of sounds like it well

1903
01:29:24,530 --> 01:29:22,350
okay so you've had that interesting

1904
01:29:29,030 --> 01:29:24,540
experience where they left evidence and

1905
01:29:31,459 --> 01:29:29,040
now have you had any more overtime or is

1906
01:29:34,490 --> 01:29:31,469
this kind of dwindling or do I still

1907
01:29:37,939 --> 01:29:34,500
still come to you yeah I still have I

1908
01:29:42,110 --> 01:29:37,949
still have experiences right but they're

1909
01:29:44,689 --> 01:29:42,120
um and I've had had physical strange

1910
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:44,699
physical markings like pyramid ship

1911
01:29:50,450 --> 01:29:48,449
markings on my body okay and my my

1912
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:50,460
friend Casey who was an investigator

1913
01:29:59,030 --> 01:29:56,730
move on about four years ago we were

1914
01:30:02,600 --> 01:29:59,040
good friends for 15 years he went to the

1915
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:02,610
UFO conferences as well and I let him

1916
01:30:08,050 --> 01:30:05,370
stay in my room and his name was Casey

1917
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:08,060
oak he had taken some pictures of

1918
01:30:13,669 --> 01:30:10,290
unusual markings that appeared on my

1919
01:30:16,610 --> 01:30:13,679
body and unfortunately he died in the

1920
01:30:22,310 --> 01:30:16,620
skating accident about about four years

1921
01:30:25,130 --> 01:30:22,320
ago oh yeah it happened on December some

1922
01:30:28,010 --> 01:30:25,140
it happened Christmas Christmas Day

1923
01:30:31,370 --> 01:30:28,020
December 25th last time his mother song

1924
01:30:34,850 --> 01:30:31,380
and ten days later we saw at the bottom

1925
01:30:36,530 --> 01:30:34,860
of the pond right and and I of course I

1926
01:30:39,440 --> 01:30:36,540
just been in Minneapolis I just done a

1927
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:39,450
seven-day zuv seminars and programs I'm

1928
01:30:44,540 --> 01:30:41,850
in the applets well Casey I would say

1929
01:30:46,340 --> 01:30:44,550
this place and he helped me out and we

1930
01:30:48,380 --> 01:30:46,350
did all kinds of experiments together we

1931
01:30:53,480 --> 01:30:48,390
had physical evidence at his home

1932
01:30:56,180 --> 01:30:53,490
because he was very scientific and he he

1933
01:30:59,240 --> 01:30:56,190
fell through the ice he was an expert in

1934
01:31:01,400 --> 01:30:59,250
ice thickness and the farmer put a

1935
01:31:04,460 --> 01:31:01,410
radiator system in the middle of the

1936
01:31:06,740 --> 01:31:04,470
pond so 20 feet out the pond was not

1937
01:31:09,050 --> 01:31:06,750
solid he checked it up he checked it out

1938
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:09,060
for a few feet like a skating 20 feet

1939
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:12,090
out 20 feet down and drum and he was

1940
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:14,010
next foot after it was a super swimmer

1941
01:31:20,380 --> 01:31:16,170
extracting he got all swim mean I love

1942
01:31:27,530 --> 01:31:22,790
what actually happened and I couldn't

1943
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:27,540
believe it it actually happened and he's

1944
01:31:32,480 --> 01:31:29,850
like a brother to me and I and and he

1945
01:31:35,540 --> 01:31:32,490
had all this pictures and evidence and

1946
01:31:41,480 --> 01:31:35,550
also VHS tapes

1947
01:31:44,630 --> 01:31:41,490
oh that's why oh thank you for reminding

1948
01:31:47,270 --> 01:31:44,640
me now when did you you went with Casey

1949
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:47,280
the area 51 no I went with another

1950
01:31:52,580 --> 01:31:50,130
friend of mine Steve and I was I was one

1951
01:31:55,460 --> 01:31:52,590
of the very first people to go to area

1952
01:31:57,770 --> 01:31:55,470
51 before was even known my throw about

1953
01:31:59,660 --> 01:31:57,780
anemic Lynn Campbell was we the

1954
01:32:01,320 --> 01:31:59,670
starlight lounge presents an evening

1955
01:32:03,589 --> 01:32:01,330
with the progressive lux

1956
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:03,599
[Music]

1957
01:32:08,810 --> 01:32:06,570
I took a bit of a risk singing that song

1958
01:32:11,270 --> 01:32:08,820
but of course the one place I never take

1959
01:32:13,339 --> 01:32:11,280
chances is the road where progressive

1960
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:13,349
snapshot rewards your safe driving a

1961
01:32:18,649 --> 01:32:15,570
good driver plus snapshot equals big

1962
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:18,659
discounts and speaking of math one plus

1963
01:32:24,350 --> 01:32:22,489
one equals two little too late

1964
01:32:25,669 --> 01:32:24,360
progressive casualty insurance company

1965
01:32:26,929 --> 01:32:25,679
affiliate snapshot not available in

1966
01:32:31,549 --> 01:32:26,939
California North Carolina or from all

1967
01:32:37,370 --> 01:32:31,559
allegiance special requests to hold it

1968
01:32:40,129 --> 01:32:37,380
there about six years ago when we went

1969
01:32:41,830 --> 01:32:40,139
to we went to a little alien and we got

1970
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:41,840
there around two o'clock in the morning

1971
01:32:47,629 --> 01:32:45,090
Patton Rachel had a hamburger and fries

1972
01:32:50,839 --> 01:32:47,639
and the six-pack ready for us and the

1973
01:32:52,969 --> 01:32:50,849
next day who took us six hours eight we

1974
01:32:54,679 --> 01:32:52,979
drove and then we trapped to area 51

1975
01:32:57,439 --> 01:32:54,689
right at the very edge

1976
01:32:59,149 --> 01:32:57,449
we stayed there for 24 hours and it was

1977
01:33:01,250 --> 01:32:59,159
me and four other people put beside

1978
01:33:04,009 --> 01:33:01,260
Steve and Glenn despised by them on

1979
01:33:06,319 --> 01:33:04,019
gamble and I got his book about pictures

1980
01:33:09,679 --> 01:33:06,329
and I still got the same book the same

1981
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:09,689
book that he made whatever I have it

1982
01:33:14,239 --> 01:33:11,130
signed by him but the days everything

1983
01:33:17,660 --> 01:33:14,249
and we taped a lot of unusual things a

1984
01:33:23,020 --> 01:33:17,670
lot of us a lot of it was public reverse

1985
01:33:26,959 --> 01:33:23,030
reverse engineering but the thing is

1986
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:26,969
Lorien is that on the way to Nevada I

1987
01:33:33,679 --> 01:33:30,449
drove and it took us a few hours to get

1988
01:33:36,910 --> 01:33:33,689
some Las Vegas to low Rachel little out

1989
01:33:39,890 --> 01:33:36,920
to Rachel Nevada because a lot of cows

1990
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:39,900
sleep on this it's cool on the street

1991
01:33:44,569 --> 01:33:42,090
under under cement to cool off in the

1992
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:44,579
summer time yeah this was like in June

1993
01:33:51,169 --> 01:33:47,489
or July or August and yeah I had to

1994
01:33:53,569 --> 01:33:51,179
swerve what why kinda wasn't under the

1995
01:33:57,500 --> 01:33:53,579
pipeline object that followed us for two

1996
01:34:00,279 --> 01:33:57,510
hours a night it meant my friend who was

1997
01:34:03,109 --> 01:34:00,289
10 years older than me who I had trained

1998
01:34:06,140 --> 01:34:03,119
try to not be afraid of you of all the

1999
01:34:09,620 --> 01:34:06,150
aliens who told me was ready Isis were

2000
01:34:12,379 --> 01:34:09,630
gonna stop me begged me he begged me I

2001
01:34:14,569 --> 01:34:12,389
slowed down several times the object

2002
01:34:15,590 --> 01:34:14,579
would slow down I'd speed up it would

2003
01:34:17,390 --> 01:34:15,600
speed up

2004
01:34:20,510 --> 01:34:17,400
he begged me not to stop he was

2005
01:34:23,330 --> 01:34:20,520
terrified out of his mind and I couldn't

2006
01:34:25,340 --> 01:34:23,340
stop he were literally would have

2007
01:34:28,100 --> 01:34:25,350
freaked out of out of his mind

2008
01:34:28,970 --> 01:34:28,110
because I told him look Steve stay in

2009
01:34:32,210 --> 01:34:28,980
the car

2010
01:34:35,150 --> 01:34:32,220
to the 30

2011
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:35,160
we hit a 30 day tour of hot spots around

2012
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:38,130
the world now I'm gonna leave I'm going

2013
01:34:42,740 --> 01:34:40,410
to 29 years old so I was one of the very

2014
01:34:44,750 --> 01:34:42,750
first quarter if it's won the port was

2015
01:34:46,490 --> 01:34:44,760
blocked by and who were at the very edge

2016
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:46,500
of the mountain or we're going to

2017
01:34:50,900 --> 01:34:48,930
actually see the crater and we did see

2018
01:34:54,440 --> 01:34:50,910
lots of great activity and I video kids

2019
01:34:57,380 --> 01:34:54,450
and we had it and I had it and I lost 50

2020
01:35:00,110 --> 01:34:57,390
videotapes all that in my eye storage by

2021
01:35:02,690 --> 01:35:00,120
but he was also a witness but this is

2022
01:35:04,130 --> 01:35:02,700
something that I would challenge anyone

2023
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:04,140
with you

2024
01:35:08,870 --> 01:35:07,290
Pat Rachel the Lilian I don't know they

2025
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:08,880
remember me they have a picture on the

2026
01:35:15,290 --> 01:35:11,130
wall I know his wife back with but thing

2027
01:35:18,890 --> 01:35:15,300
is that I was there and I remembered it

2028
01:35:22,100 --> 01:35:18,900
but this object I wanted to stop but my

2029
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:22,110
friend was freaking hooked much yes no

2030
01:35:26,990 --> 01:35:24,210
induced and I says you stand hurt you

2031
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:27,000
stay in the car and alcohol and he was

2032
01:35:37,420 --> 01:35:32,970
10 years old use 50 years old and I'm 50

2033
01:35:41,990 --> 01:35:37,430
Houston 48 and I'm 27

2034
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:42,000
okay honey but he was terrified I

2035
01:35:46,490 --> 01:35:43,770
thought Steve I how you said didn't even

2036
01:35:48,500 --> 01:35:46,500
wanna pin me thirsty he's yeah but I

2037
01:35:53,420 --> 01:35:48,510
can't take it or whatever and he was

2038
01:35:57,140 --> 01:35:53,430
terrified yeah I need to interrupt you

2039
01:35:59,540 --> 01:35:57,150
again I'm sorry to say but that is just

2040
01:36:01,700 --> 01:35:59,550
a fascinating story and did you stay

2041
01:36:05,270 --> 01:36:01,710
with Glenn Campbell up at that campsite

2042
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:05,280
that easy that overtly sneaky for 24

2043
01:36:06,860 --> 01:36:06,570
hours oh you know what I'm talking about

2044
01:36:08,990 --> 01:36:06,870
right

2045
01:36:11,060 --> 01:36:09,000
I know exactly what you're talking about

2046
01:36:14,510 --> 01:36:11,070
I know I think I know where you went

2047
01:36:17,060 --> 01:36:14,520
yeah it's a hike in ready it took us

2048
01:36:19,310 --> 01:36:17,070
several when we want right he's off like

2049
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:19,320
yeah 10 kilometers or 10 miles or

2050
01:36:25,610 --> 01:36:22,410
whatever miles 10 miles it took us hours

2051
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:25,620
but things that I loved it and we feel

2052
01:36:32,190 --> 01:36:28,930
overnight we'd left the star

2053
01:36:34,610 --> 01:36:32,200
the stuff that I saw and I videotaped it

2054
01:36:38,370 --> 01:36:34,620
on my old-fashioned video camera and

2055
01:36:40,350 --> 01:36:38,380
20th the little alien in is the ring

2056
01:36:42,510 --> 01:36:40,360
each had two bags you only had six rooms

2057
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:42,520
to the trailer six room with two beds

2058
01:36:48,990 --> 01:36:46,410
and each room had a TV with a VCR player

2059
01:36:53,160 --> 01:36:49,000
so that you could put your VCR keep in

2060
01:36:54,630 --> 01:36:53,170
there to see if you look at all that was

2061
01:36:57,030 --> 01:36:54,640
done you know what I got some really

2062
01:36:59,520 --> 01:36:57,040
quick stuff but I couldn't stop the tape

2063
01:37:02,640 --> 01:36:59,530
the object behind us but I tell you I

2064
01:37:04,440 --> 01:37:02,650
loved it and I wanted to stop but my

2065
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:04,450
friend was not psychologically ready

2066
01:37:09,900 --> 01:37:07,570
yeah yeah and he was freaking out I

2067
01:37:12,210 --> 01:37:09,910
tried it on them down like I prepped

2068
01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:12,220
them for 10 years I tried to calm him

2069
01:37:20,070 --> 01:37:18,370
down close your eyes so I wanted to stop

2070
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:20,080
the car to the side

2071
01:37:26,250 --> 01:37:23,370
leave the cows there's a lot of calls oh

2072
01:37:28,440 --> 01:37:26,260
yeah Michael I got interrupt you again I

2073
01:37:31,140 --> 01:37:28,450
had the same experience when I drove out

2074
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:31,150
there those damn cows they're everywhere

2075
01:37:37,260 --> 01:37:34,810
that night all cement for to cool off in

2076
01:37:40,410 --> 01:37:37,270
the summer time because it's cooler yeah

2077
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:40,420
yeah and I was warned that right and I

2078
01:37:44,120 --> 01:37:42,370
could drive in the dark and it's pitch

2079
01:37:46,950 --> 01:37:44,130
dark

2080
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:46,960
there's no there's no streetlights out

2081
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:49,330
there folks all the middle of freaking

2082
01:37:54,150 --> 01:37:52,050
nowhere I loved it and I thought you

2083
01:37:57,300 --> 01:37:54,160
know what I thought my french tip was

2084
01:38:00,390 --> 01:37:57,310
ready for it so because I we he's the

2085
01:38:03,300 --> 01:38:00,400
one that that that said like let's go on

2086
01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:03,310
this trip now so we did but he wasn't

2087
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:05,650
ready we went to the Grand Canyon we had

2088
01:38:11,970 --> 01:38:08,010
a sighting we went to different places

2089
01:38:14,610 --> 01:38:11,980
were ready but he was too terrified and

2090
01:38:17,070 --> 01:38:14,620
and because of that they didn't make

2091
01:38:19,860 --> 01:38:17,080
themselves completely visible to the two

2092
01:38:22,050 --> 01:38:19,870
of us right right that happens if one of

2093
01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:22,060
you is petrified it's not gonna help the

2094
01:38:26,790 --> 01:38:25,090
crew you know oh yeah almost like the

2095
01:38:29,850 --> 01:38:26,800
verge of passing out she looks do you

2096
01:38:32,610 --> 01:38:29,860
pass oh we did once we're on the bus

2097
01:38:35,940 --> 01:38:32,620
Colorado to apply in the morning we see

2098
01:38:39,210 --> 01:38:35,950
the object years of past notes oh well

2099
01:38:40,830 --> 01:38:39,220
maybe you were taken do you think well I

2100
01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:40,840
wasn't taking the physical or

2101
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:41,760
non-physical

2102
01:38:46,910 --> 01:38:43,170
I ended up on the roof of the bus and

2103
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:46,920
then I was taken isn't happy to anybody

2104
01:38:54,140 --> 01:38:52,410
freaked out you know well it kind of you

2105
01:38:56,450 --> 01:38:54,150
know what's interesting Michael the more

2106
01:38:59,510 --> 01:38:56,460
I hear these stories the more I realize

2107
01:39:02,870 --> 01:38:59,520
that you know people I guess are a bit

2108
01:39:04,790 --> 01:39:02,880
different I guess because I I'm not

2109
01:39:07,220 --> 01:39:04,800
afraid of stuff like this I have never

2110
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:07,230
been afraid now I'm probably more afraid

2111
01:39:11,540 --> 01:39:08,610
now than I was then

2112
01:39:14,030 --> 01:39:11,550
but man when I was in my 20s I was

2113
01:39:16,220 --> 01:39:14,040
fearless I mean I tell the story on this

2114
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:16,230
show every once in a while about how I

2115
01:39:22,610 --> 01:39:18,570
used to race cars I used to do all kinds

2116
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:22,620
of crazy crazy stuff and my family

2117
01:39:31,300 --> 01:39:25,170
literally had bets on whether I was

2118
01:39:36,500 --> 01:39:34,280
well I was pretty I mean I was racing

2119
01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:36,510
cars when I you know I was the only girl

2120
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:38,400
in a group of guys that would race cars

2121
01:39:45,230 --> 01:39:42,930
the way I you know I wanted to become a

2122
01:39:49,010 --> 01:39:45,240
racecar driver when I was you know 12 to

2123
01:39:51,140 --> 01:39:49,020
16 woman made know nothing it was very

2124
01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:51,150
difficult yeah it was I even had a

2125
01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:53,370
boyfriend that was a pit guy and he had

2126
01:39:58,550 --> 01:39:56,370
a dragster yeah I mean I really wanted

2127
01:40:00,410 --> 01:39:58,560
to do that but he at one story short I

2128
01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:00,420
also wanted to be a goalie in a hockey

2129
01:40:04,700 --> 01:40:02,370
team if there was any hockey down in

2130
01:40:07,010 --> 01:40:04,710
Portland Oregon at that time except for

2131
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:07,020
the buckaroos and he had long story

2132
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:09,690
short I was way ahead of my time but I

2133
01:40:15,770 --> 01:40:12,810
was out there living the life and but I

2134
01:40:17,660 --> 01:40:15,780
know I got that from when I died when I

2135
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:17,670
was 18 months old in the hospital and

2136
01:40:22,130 --> 01:40:19,890
the angel or aliens came and you know

2137
01:40:25,160 --> 01:40:22,140
kept me alive right I didn't die but I

2138
01:40:28,340 --> 01:40:25,170
almost died and they kept me here and I

2139
01:40:31,340 --> 01:40:28,350
have not been afraid my entire life and

2140
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:31,350
people think that is probably because

2141
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:34,650
I'm weirdo you know but I think it's

2142
01:40:41,180 --> 01:40:38,730
because I've had alien contact of some

2143
01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:41,190
sort whether it's an angel or God or

2144
01:40:45,410 --> 01:40:43,170
whatever you want to call it I've been

2145
01:40:47,330 --> 01:40:45,420
blessed and I know there's something

2146
01:40:49,850 --> 01:40:47,340
better on the other side so I'm not

2147
01:40:54,950 --> 01:40:49,860
afraid I'm not afraid to gut to go

2148
01:40:55,189 --> 01:40:54,960
tomorrow you know yeah and once you've

2149
01:40:59,870 --> 01:40:55,199
been

2150
01:41:02,839 --> 01:40:59,880
traveling around as an OBE which I've

2151
01:41:05,180 --> 01:41:02,849
done a bunch of times you realize that

2152
01:41:08,839 --> 01:41:05,190
there's much more to us than this

2153
01:41:11,540 --> 01:41:08,849
dimension you know absolutely and so

2154
01:41:14,089 --> 01:41:11,550
fear is not like it is for most people

2155
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:14,099
but you know what's hard Michael it's

2156
01:41:17,959 --> 01:41:16,170
hard remembering that because you've

2157
01:41:29,149 --> 01:41:17,969
lived that you and I have lived our

2158
01:41:34,100 --> 01:41:29,159
whole life not in fear right oh my god

2159
01:41:37,879 --> 01:41:34,110
you were by locating and when I read

2160
01:41:39,500 --> 01:41:37,889
subin book when I was 15 years old

2161
01:41:42,589 --> 01:41:39,510
that's when I started to understand

2162
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:42,599
silver monguno Harry Carrington I got

2163
01:41:48,169 --> 01:41:45,690
their book 1940 oh I wish I had that

2164
01:41:49,850 --> 01:41:48,179
damn thing got disappeared I loved that

2165
01:41:52,100 --> 01:41:49,860
book but and helped me to understand

2166
01:41:53,330 --> 01:41:52,110
what's going on but here he Carrington

2167
01:41:55,219 --> 01:41:53,340
and sell them I'll do it one of the

2168
01:41:57,350 --> 01:41:55,229
pioneers right nobody stopped the

2169
01:41:59,359 --> 01:41:57,360
nineteen thirties right right that's an

2170
01:42:02,959 --> 01:41:59,369
I read their stuff tonight this is what

2171
01:42:05,449 --> 01:42:02,969
I'm doing I'm not sick but I act here I

2172
01:42:07,399 --> 01:42:05,459
had tremendous fear up until I went to

2173
01:42:09,319 --> 01:42:07,409
the Monroe because I had these creatures

2174
01:42:12,529 --> 01:42:09,329
tell me but if I get out of my body

2175
01:42:14,299 --> 01:42:12,539
they'll kill me tear me apart well

2176
01:42:16,790 --> 01:42:14,309
that's what happened to me the time I

2177
01:42:18,709 --> 01:42:16,800
jumped back into my body was that evil

2178
01:42:21,020 --> 01:42:18,719
entity came into the bedroom and I took

2179
01:42:21,500 --> 01:42:21,030
off away from it and yeah I know the

2180
01:42:24,350 --> 01:42:21,510
feeling

2181
01:42:26,959 --> 01:42:24,360
but I was that was the only time I was

2182
01:42:29,930 --> 01:42:26,969
afraid but once I got back in my body I

2183
01:42:34,339 --> 01:42:29,940
knew it was over you know for me it kind

2184
01:42:36,919 --> 01:42:34,349
of stayed you know palatable because I

2185
01:42:40,219 --> 01:42:36,929
could feel it yeah it was oh they're not

2186
01:42:42,500 --> 01:42:40,229
good [\h__\h] well I knew that too isn't

2187
01:42:44,779 --> 01:42:42,510
that interesting my father took me to

2188
01:42:46,609 --> 01:42:44,789
the park when I was 15 but I never told

2189
01:42:47,779 --> 01:42:46,619
him nothing right when I took the hit

2190
01:42:50,930 --> 01:42:47,789
what he was doing when he was on a

2191
01:42:53,209 --> 01:42:50,940
business trip 300 miles away and at the

2192
01:42:55,310 --> 01:42:53,219
time were like my mother already been

2193
01:42:57,020 --> 01:42:55,320
gone I told my song with the spray

2194
01:43:04,929 --> 01:42:57,030
the--and stuff he kind of thought I was

2195
01:43:12,979 --> 01:43:08,599
yeah and I was also experimenting

2196
01:43:14,629 --> 01:43:12,989
at that time 14 15 years old electronic

2197
01:43:17,419 --> 01:43:14,639
voice phenomena without realizing what

2198
01:43:20,169 --> 01:43:17,429
it was ice and left my mic a player on

2199
01:43:22,939 --> 01:43:20,179
the court and tape when I was practicing

2200
01:43:24,589 --> 01:43:22,949
pronouncing on it I left it on by

2201
01:43:27,109 --> 01:43:24,599
accident when I replayed it I had all

2202
01:43:28,089 --> 01:43:27,119
these funny I had these crazy voices on

2203
01:43:31,119 --> 01:43:28,099
and stuff

2204
01:43:34,849 --> 01:43:31,129
really yeah scare the hell out of me

2205
01:43:36,859 --> 01:43:34,859
well yeah it does kind of it's until you

2206
01:43:41,299 --> 01:43:36,869
actually figure out what it is that it

2207
01:43:46,099 --> 01:43:41,309
does scare you it's like yeah yeah yeah

2208
01:43:48,020 --> 01:43:46,109
it'd be years old Wow you know that's so

2209
01:43:53,419 --> 01:43:48,030
it leads to my dad he thought I was

2210
01:43:56,359 --> 01:43:53,429
making it up could he hear it no yes he

2211
01:44:00,649 --> 01:43:56,369
only certain people can hear those EVPs

2212
01:44:02,389 --> 01:44:00,659
it's interesting but lately yeah he

2213
01:44:05,359 --> 01:44:02,399
could hear it on the beat but he thought

2214
01:44:07,339 --> 01:44:05,369
I was making out the voices oh he could

2215
01:44:09,589 --> 01:44:07,349
hear it okay yes because he could hear

2216
01:44:11,750 --> 01:44:09,599
it clearly I thought it was less that I

2217
01:44:13,399 --> 01:44:11,760
was schizophrenic or whatever and I was

2218
01:44:16,339 --> 01:44:13,409
making up the sounds but I told them I

2219
01:44:18,649 --> 01:44:16,349
wasn't but this is this is what actually

2220
01:44:27,699 --> 01:44:18,659
got him like I was asking him explain

2221
01:44:31,159 --> 01:44:27,709
what it was yeah I bet it did

2222
01:44:33,500 --> 01:44:31,169
no it's it's a tough life being anything

2223
01:44:36,649 --> 01:44:33,510
different isn't it it's just a tough

2224
01:44:39,139 --> 01:44:36,659
life you know people that if they don't

2225
01:44:41,599 --> 01:44:39,149
understand it you're ridiculed and being

2226
01:44:43,909 --> 01:44:41,609
in high school and being different like

2227
01:44:46,639 --> 01:44:43,919
this is just it's a horror isn't it

2228
01:44:48,349 --> 01:44:46,649
yeah I remember one whole year I only I

2229
01:44:50,659 --> 01:44:48,359
never had no friends of grade 9

2230
01:44:52,729 --> 01:44:50,669
everybody everybody avoided me like I

2231
01:44:55,459 --> 01:44:52,739
wasn't Hylian I swear was not very good

2232
01:44:58,189 --> 01:44:55,469
Lauren in grade 7 and 8 I had two

2233
01:44:59,869 --> 01:44:58,199
friends great night I had nobody nobody

2234
01:45:02,929 --> 01:44:59,879
not one trend and great night a whole

2235
01:45:05,779 --> 01:45:02,939
year go by now one person I was I will

2236
01:45:08,479 --> 01:45:05,789
avoid it like I had to play it ya know

2237
01:45:11,060 --> 01:45:08,489
end up having lunch by myself in the

2238
01:45:13,549 --> 01:45:11,070
summertime going outside

2239
01:45:16,579 --> 01:45:13,559
and I didn't understand it everybody it

2240
01:45:19,069 --> 01:45:16,589
would it mean well it's all right like

2241
01:45:20,809 --> 01:45:19,079
it's like this is very happy about it no

2242
01:45:22,220 --> 01:45:20,819
I I don't blame you I wouldn't been

2243
01:45:24,110 --> 01:45:22,230
happy either

2244
01:45:34,300 --> 01:45:24,120
but grooves and the guys and everybody

2245
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:36,710
yeah it's tough blending in when you're

2246
01:45:40,910 --> 01:45:38,610
that different it's really hard but you

2247
01:45:43,490 --> 01:45:40,920
know what it makes you really strong and

2248
01:45:45,110 --> 01:45:43,500
you know what you have amazing abilities

2249
01:45:46,460 --> 01:45:45,120
now you have absolutely amazing

2250
01:45:47,180 --> 01:45:46,470
abilities and you're sharing them with

2251
01:45:50,180 --> 01:45:47,190
the world

2252
01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:50,190
and I think it's I think you're

2253
01:45:55,220 --> 01:45:52,410
phenomenal Michael I really do I think

2254
01:45:57,890 --> 01:45:55,230
you're just a you've had you've had the

2255
01:46:00,200 --> 01:45:57,900
encounter with the the oriental naked

2256
01:46:04,100 --> 01:46:00,210
woman which is very interesting like I

2257
01:46:09,040 --> 01:46:04,110
said you've had out-of-body OBEs you

2258
01:46:11,900 --> 01:46:09,050
you're a natural remote viewer you're

2259
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:11,910
people that's the most I love to empower

2260
01:46:21,650 --> 01:46:19,410
you Minh being oh I tell you what remote

2261
01:46:23,150 --> 01:46:21,660
viewing is the key because what remote

2262
01:46:25,640 --> 01:46:23,160
viewing does that people don't

2263
01:46:28,910 --> 01:46:25,650
understand is actually transcends time

2264
01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:28,920
but I also developed telekinesis for

2265
01:46:33,350 --> 01:46:30,690
more healing for more telepathy

2266
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:33,360
remote touchy so I've actually come up

2267
01:46:35,990 --> 01:46:34,410
with a whole bunch of different things

2268
01:46:40,010 --> 01:46:36,000
that were not developed by the Stanford

2269
01:46:41,990 --> 01:46:40,020
Research Institute cool and in my mentor

2270
01:46:45,740 --> 01:46:42,000
David Morehouse well you know about that

2271
01:46:48,620 --> 01:46:45,750
stuff but I kind of you know anyway well

2272
01:46:51,500 --> 01:46:48,630
I'm fascinated by what you teach now do

2273
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:51,510
you have workshops up in the in where

2274
01:46:55,190 --> 01:46:53,850
you're living right now I've done I've

2275
01:46:56,930 --> 01:46:55,200
done most of them have been about a

2276
01:46:58,220 --> 01:46:56,940
thousand programs in North America in

2277
01:47:00,590 --> 01:46:58,230
the States

2278
01:47:02,300 --> 01:47:00,600
I seem to have a greater Susan B a

2279
01:47:04,060 --> 01:47:02,310
greater demand and understanding of it

2280
01:47:08,750 --> 01:47:04,070
in the states in u.s. than in Canada

2281
01:47:12,260 --> 01:47:08,760
okay and if someone went to come to one

2282
01:47:14,840 --> 01:47:12,270
of your your classes or your workshops

2283
01:47:17,930 --> 01:47:14,850
would they get a workbook would they

2284
01:47:23,870 --> 01:47:17,940
just get tired manuals have five manuals

2285
01:47:26,540 --> 01:47:23,880
and 15 CDs Navy eight DVDs cheese my

2286
01:47:28,670 --> 01:47:26,550
semi seminars and programs and I would

2287
01:47:29,860 --> 01:47:28,680
love it I would love it if I got it pure

2288
01:47:32,479 --> 01:47:29,870
your next conference

2289
01:47:34,580 --> 01:47:32,489
Lorien and anything coming up you know

2290
01:47:36,230 --> 01:47:34,590
just love it because I love to share and

2291
01:47:41,210 --> 01:47:36,240
I guess people in Canada

2292
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:41,220
they're still afraid they shouldn't be I

2293
01:47:45,620 --> 01:47:43,290
I'm very upset with them for not

2294
01:47:47,510 --> 01:47:45,630
embracing you for the Canadian guy that

2295
01:47:49,250 --> 01:47:47,520
you really know but it's true isn't it

2296
01:47:53,660 --> 01:47:49,260
an artist is not accepted in his own

2297
01:48:01,550 --> 01:47:53,670
country you will be in the universe or

2298
01:48:04,850 --> 01:48:01,560
whatever yeah it's so true yeah and so

2299
01:48:07,460 --> 01:48:04,860
do you do any type of I saw that on your

2300
01:48:10,940 --> 01:48:07,470
GoFundMe type of thing the crowdfunding

2301
01:48:13,100 --> 01:48:10,950
page that you do events do you go out to

2302
01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:13,110
events and help people raise money for

2303
01:48:18,950 --> 01:48:15,690
their causes I've done I've done that

2304
01:48:20,840 --> 01:48:18,960
many many charities oh that's so sick of

2305
01:48:23,300 --> 01:48:20,850
you and I have done it too many

2306
01:48:26,390 --> 01:48:23,310
charities I've raised hundreds of

2307
01:48:29,260 --> 01:48:26,400
thousands of dollars but the problem is

2308
01:48:33,440 --> 01:48:29,270
that I've been I've been exploited by by

2309
01:48:35,420 --> 01:48:33,450
nefarious agents in the States also as

2310
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:35,430
well and I'm gonna get it out myself and

2311
01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:37,530
this has caused me a lot of problems as

2312
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:40,530
well you know exploited and because as

2313
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:43,530
Canadian believe it or not they take

2314
01:48:50,860 --> 01:48:48,090
advantage of me yeah yeah and I would

2315
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:50,870
think the god Woodall may help soul

2316
01:48:56,660 --> 01:48:53,610
worrying that something might transpire

2317
01:48:58,760 --> 01:48:56,670
nice had a vision in the dream and I

2318
01:49:01,160 --> 01:48:58,770
connected you connected with me that

2319
01:49:04,970 --> 01:49:01,170
perhaps maybe somebody out there and

2320
01:49:07,430 --> 01:49:04,980
maybe yourself might help me in some way

2321
01:49:09,560 --> 01:49:07,440
to share my knowledge and my vision to

2322
01:49:11,780 --> 01:49:09,570
help and teach others they share others

2323
01:49:14,750 --> 01:49:11,790
that they can do these things but I can

2324
01:49:17,540 --> 01:49:14,760
do maybe not to the exact degree but to

2325
01:49:20,480 --> 01:49:17,550
a large degree exactly yeah

2326
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:20,490
well Michael I will do what I can right

2327
01:49:25,210 --> 01:49:23,010
now my life is a you know right now I

2328
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:25,220
have no sleep because of being hacked

2329
01:49:31,360 --> 01:49:28,890
and I really it looks like it was a coup

2330
01:49:33,830 --> 01:49:31,370
by the way I was hacked to last year

2331
01:49:34,460 --> 01:49:33,840
comfortable so I understand what you

2332
01:49:40,700 --> 01:49:34,470
lost

2333
01:49:44,120 --> 01:49:40,710
them back but I was happy placed

2334
01:49:46,940 --> 01:49:44,130
actually yeah and I can tell it was a

2335
01:49:49,490 --> 01:49:46,950
hack job because I keep getting script

2336
01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:49,500
errors that are definitely someone had

2337
01:49:53,030 --> 01:49:49,920
to write

2338
01:49:55,550 --> 01:49:53,040
script to make this go away so I know it

2339
01:49:57,680 --> 01:49:55,560
wasn't it wasn't a virus because I run a

2340
01:50:00,590 --> 01:49:57,690
virus scan all the time so I know it was

2341
01:50:03,260 --> 01:50:00,600
directed at me somebody no body somebody

2342
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:03,270
about very nice that's just trying to

2343
01:50:07,130 --> 01:50:04,890
make you make it difficult for you

2344
01:50:09,290 --> 01:50:07,140
that's right just like they were to you

2345
01:50:11,660 --> 01:50:09,300
and just like a lot of us you know the

2346
01:50:14,150 --> 01:50:11,670
experiencers the people who are really

2347
01:50:15,710 --> 01:50:14,160
out on the forefront of spirituality on

2348
01:50:19,550 --> 01:50:15,720
this planet because you know what being

2349
01:50:22,850 --> 01:50:19,560
an alien contact D makes you by default

2350
01:50:25,880 --> 01:50:22,860
a spiritual person because there's one

2351
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:25,890
thing the aliens have that humans do not

2352
01:50:31,160 --> 01:50:28,890
and that is they can't lie I've never

2353
01:50:33,950 --> 01:50:31,170
had an alien or an angel or any of these

2354
01:50:36,650 --> 01:50:33,960
things that come at you lie to me at

2355
01:50:39,200 --> 01:50:36,660
least I have it now I to my friends who

2356
01:50:40,730 --> 01:50:39,210
deal with the greys and they're not sure

2357
01:50:42,230 --> 01:50:40,740
they're telling them the truth all the

2358
01:50:44,510 --> 01:50:42,240
time you know you know it's funny think

2359
01:50:47,420 --> 01:50:44,520
about the greys out of the way I met

2360
01:50:50,930 --> 01:50:47,430
these beings like okay I'm not great at

2361
01:50:54,620 --> 01:50:50,940
wrong skin right I admit I have brown

2362
01:50:56,210 --> 01:50:54,630
skin that looks like tan leather but for

2363
01:50:58,430 --> 01:50:56,220
some reason people people call them the

2364
01:51:00,410 --> 01:50:58,440
greys but they're not great I haven't

2365
01:51:03,490 --> 01:51:00,420
met any of these beings whether the

2366
01:51:05,930 --> 01:51:03,500
three foot by foot or five foot five

2367
01:51:10,670 --> 01:51:05,940
whatever they're all seem to have a

2368
01:51:13,130 --> 01:51:10,680
thicker kind of tan brown color there's

2369
01:51:16,510 --> 01:51:13,140
interesting interesting and anyway

2370
01:51:19,670 --> 01:51:16,520
there's big contact lenses in their eyes

2371
01:51:22,130 --> 01:51:19,680
Wow okay so either either light

2372
01:51:24,730 --> 01:51:22,140
sensitive so they wouldn't stick contact

2373
01:51:28,460 --> 01:51:24,740
lenses to make the rise of black

2374
01:51:30,590 --> 01:51:28,470
interesting now did they take out the

2375
01:51:32,420 --> 01:51:30,600
contact lens you absolutely know that's

2376
01:51:33,220 --> 01:51:32,430
a committee yes yes they've done it for

2377
01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:33,230
me

2378
01:51:39,700 --> 01:51:36,090
they have done it but their eyes are

2379
01:51:41,690 --> 01:51:39,710
super byte incitive on earth so they

2380
01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:41,700
because they come from a star system

2381
01:51:48,410 --> 01:51:44,730
that's different but the ones that eyes

2382
01:51:50,330 --> 01:51:48,420
put you know black third there they're

2383
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:50,340
not black they're they have pupils and

2384
01:51:56,780 --> 01:51:53,010
irises just have to learn these large

2385
01:51:59,930 --> 01:51:56,790
contact lenses that I like or they act a

2386
01:52:01,790 --> 01:51:59,940
sunscreen for them yeah yeah gotcha God

2387
01:52:03,799 --> 01:52:01,800
yeah and they're physical about they're

2388
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:03,809
not non-physical

2389
01:52:09,929 --> 01:52:06,010
well if they ever lied to you

2390
01:52:12,599 --> 01:52:09,939
because I'm dying to find out you know

2391
01:52:14,089 --> 01:52:12,609
what I'm gonna say they're like but

2392
01:52:17,819 --> 01:52:14,099
they're not gonna tell you everything do

2393
01:52:19,859 --> 01:52:17,829
yes that's it they're hiding some of the

2394
01:52:22,469 --> 01:52:19,869
truth and you know what they said to me

2395
01:52:25,560 --> 01:52:22,479
yes they know that I mixed restricting

2396
01:52:28,079 --> 01:52:25,570
to kinda go back ever since I was like

2397
01:52:29,849 --> 01:52:28,089
18 and then try to knock me out several

2398
01:52:32,520 --> 01:52:29,859
times and I ended up waking up on the

2399
01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:32,530
table and they said this guy is a wait

2400
01:52:36,179 --> 01:52:34,570
he's not supposed to be oh I got a lot

2401
01:52:36,569 --> 01:52:36,189
of cool experiences - that happened to

2402
01:52:40,829 --> 01:52:36,579
me

2403
01:52:42,479 --> 01:52:40,839
other side by the way but there's so

2404
01:52:44,129 --> 01:52:42,489
many benefits and advantages

2405
01:52:46,469 --> 01:52:44,139
Laurene that you can develop you

2406
01:52:48,869 --> 01:52:46,479
projecting into the second state meaning

2407
01:52:51,209 --> 01:52:48,879
loved ones and doing things and all and

2408
01:52:53,310 --> 01:52:51,219
it's just so just it's a you're doing it

2409
01:52:54,599 --> 01:52:53,320
already and I tell people well since

2410
01:52:57,270 --> 01:52:54,609
you're doing it why not remember how to

2411
01:52:59,099 --> 01:52:57,280
do it right yeah then that way connect

2412
01:53:00,829 --> 01:52:59,109
with people that you love and and you

2413
01:53:04,589 --> 01:53:00,839
learn stuff in anyway

2414
01:53:06,359 --> 01:53:04,599
Wow wow that's fascinating now we only

2415
01:53:08,250 --> 01:53:06,369
have a few minutes left in the show and

2416
01:53:08,969 --> 01:53:08,260
I've got to do this because you are

2417
01:53:14,609 --> 01:53:08,979
Canadian

2418
01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:14,619
do you watch hockey well I kind of

2419
01:53:18,959 --> 01:53:16,570
stopped watching available when the

2420
01:53:24,329 --> 01:53:18,969
maple thing stop stop stop winning about

2421
01:53:26,759 --> 01:53:24,339
40 years ago III used to be a big hockey

2422
01:53:28,979 --> 01:53:26,769
fan you know up until about 20 years ago

2423
01:53:32,729 --> 01:53:28,989
but the maple loops having one and more

2424
01:53:35,669 --> 01:53:32,739
than you know I mean I'm younger

2425
01:53:39,810 --> 01:53:35,679
I mean I'm older than a lot of time that

2426
01:53:42,509 --> 01:53:39,820
they haven't why well you know that's

2427
01:53:45,299 --> 01:53:42,519
the absolute truth the poor guys the

2428
01:53:48,199 --> 01:53:45,309
poor guys haven't won for so long and

2429
01:53:51,079 --> 01:53:48,209
they won in the sixties they won yeah

2430
01:53:54,479 --> 01:53:51,089
that's because it was only 16 frames

2431
01:53:58,699 --> 01:53:54,489
that's a nice kick and it's all playing

2432
01:54:01,500 --> 01:53:58,709
and that's why he won the house you know

2433
01:54:03,560 --> 01:54:01,510
maybe what a one you know even once

2434
01:54:06,659 --> 01:54:03,570
every five years or once in ten years

2435
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:06,669
well you know 50 years not winning you

2436
01:54:12,239 --> 01:54:09,010
know it's not a very good thing no it's

2437
01:54:14,309 --> 01:54:12,249
not and it's sad and I gotta say I'm a

2438
01:54:16,109 --> 01:54:14,319
big sharks fan down here in San Jose

2439
01:54:16,590 --> 01:54:16,119
California I've been following the

2440
01:54:19,050 --> 01:54:16,600
Sharks

2441
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:19,060
the day they were they first stepped

2442
01:54:26,340 --> 01:54:20,970
onto the ice I was in the Cow Palace

2443
01:54:29,160 --> 01:54:26,350
cheering them on and we have come close

2444
01:54:32,850 --> 01:54:29,170
in 27 years that we've been in the

2445
01:54:36,150 --> 01:54:32,860
league we've made it to the finals once

2446
01:54:38,730 --> 01:54:36,160
so the odds of getting in now are so

2447
01:54:40,500 --> 01:54:38,740
slim I mean and the odds of winning two

2448
01:54:42,170 --> 01:54:40,510
or three years in a row were even more

2449
01:54:44,730 --> 01:54:42,180
phenomena the ball the other King

2450
01:54:47,190 --> 01:54:44,740
exactly and we think this added another

2451
01:54:48,750 --> 01:54:47,200
expansion team in Las Vegas this year

2452
01:54:51,330 --> 01:54:48,760
that's right I heard of yeah I just

2453
01:54:53,340 --> 01:54:51,340
heard about that yeah and they're doing

2454
01:54:54,840 --> 01:54:53,350
range guys but those guys are winning

2455
01:55:01,800 --> 01:54:54,850
and you know what they're gonna win the

2456
01:55:03,930 --> 01:55:01,810
inner child they're being paid a

2457
01:55:06,210 --> 01:55:03,940
fraction of the cost but they're gonna

2458
01:55:07,470 --> 01:55:06,220
win because they're hungry you see

2459
01:55:10,440 --> 01:55:07,480
they're not looking at the money they

2460
01:55:13,710 --> 01:55:10,450
look at that winning exactly I already

2461
01:55:18,060 --> 01:55:13,720
told this to a friend of mine really

2462
01:55:21,390 --> 01:55:18,070
she's like that with them how about the

2463
01:55:24,600 --> 01:55:21,400
Knights and and the team that won last

2464
01:55:25,110 --> 01:55:24,610
year I think it was God was it I can't

2465
01:55:27,420 --> 01:55:25,120
remember

2466
01:55:29,190 --> 01:55:27,430
anyhow I'll bet against the Western

2467
01:55:31,800 --> 01:55:29,200
Conference Eastern Conference winners

2468
01:55:34,860 --> 01:55:31,810
last year okay good yeah Golden Knights

2469
01:55:39,120 --> 01:55:34,870
against these guys I'll do it hungry man

2470
01:55:42,180 --> 01:55:39,130
they're gonna win okay I bought them in

2471
01:55:44,280 --> 01:55:42,190
Loudon and they live in Las Vegas the

2472
01:55:46,950 --> 01:55:44,290
barometric pressure is a lot different

2473
01:55:49,710 --> 01:55:46,960
it's always there people have a good few

2474
01:55:53,070 --> 01:55:49,720
mood you know well in that energy of the

2475
01:55:55,380 --> 01:55:53,080
atmosphere of Nevada and this isn't me

2476
01:55:57,780 --> 01:55:55,390
yeah absolutely

2477
01:55:59,850 --> 01:55:57,790
well sweetheart there's very few seconds

2478
01:56:02,940 --> 01:55:59,860
left in the show today but I give up

2479
01:56:04,830 --> 01:56:02,950
from my yes yes yeah do all that go

2480
01:56:06,690 --> 01:56:04,840
ahead take your Toki folks if you were

2481
01:56:09,630 --> 01:56:06,700
here everybody want to get a hold of

2482
01:56:12,270 --> 01:56:09,640
beef if you better if you're like to

2483
01:56:16,050 --> 01:56:12,280
book me for a conference or whatever get

2484
01:56:20,640 --> 01:56:16,060
back to me at NFL star hop now calm MTEL

2485
01:56:25,770 --> 01:56:20,650
SC AR are are calm and my personal song

2486
01:56:30,300 --> 01:56:25,780
number is 6 4 7 9 6 0 7 1 1 3 9607 1 1 3

2487
01:56:32,580 --> 01:56:30,310
6 4 7 area code that's about it whoo

2488
01:56:34,410 --> 01:56:32,590
all see actually you'll give people your

2489
01:56:36,750 --> 01:56:34,420
phone number live on there you are a

2490
01:56:39,930 --> 01:56:36,760
brave man don't let me tell ya not fear

2491
01:56:42,930 --> 01:56:39,940
I am doing it because you know what I

2492
01:56:47,370 --> 01:56:42,940
figure you know what I my legs not

2493
01:56:51,300 --> 01:56:47,380
extended essential trees what do I

2494
01:56:54,120 --> 01:56:51,310
happens or I have to lose you know yeah

2495
01:56:57,810 --> 01:56:54,130
absolutely well everyone thank you

2496
01:56:59,250 --> 01:56:57,820
Michael anybody questions or whatever or

2497
01:57:01,650 --> 01:56:59,260
want to check my stuff oh and then they

2498
01:57:04,170 --> 01:57:01,660
can go to my Facebook page too I guess

2499
01:57:06,030 --> 01:57:04,180
ok they will they're gonna get to your

2500
01:57:08,670 --> 01:57:06,040
Facebook page I promise you that Michael

2501
01:57:10,650 --> 01:57:08,680
everybody have a great week and thank

2502
01:57:13,010 --> 01:57:10,660
you Michael for being here and MJ thank

2503
01:57:15,480 --> 01:57:13,020
you for being at the helm at thank you

2504
01:57:17,700 --> 01:57:15,490
you bet sweetie and I'll see you guys

2505
01:57:20,790 --> 01:57:17,710
all next week and we're gonna be live

2506
01:57:22,560 --> 01:57:20,800
from International UFO Congress so be